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Ancient serpent shows its leg (hindlimbed snake fossil)
BBC ^ | 04/10/08 | Jonathan Amos

Posted on 04/11/2008 8:57:26 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

Ancient serpent shows its leg

By Jonathan Amos
Science reporter, BBC News

What was lost tens of millions of years ago is now found.

A fossil animal locked in Lebanese limestone has been shown to be an extremely precious discovery - a snake with two legs.

Scientists have only a handful of specimens that illustrate the evolutionary narrative that goes from ancient lizard to limbless modern serpent.

Researchers at the European Light Source (ESRF) in Grenoble, France, used intense X-rays to confirm that a creature imprinted on a rock, and with one visible leg, had another appendage buried just under the surface of the slab.

"We were sure he had two legs but it was great to see it, and we hope to find other characteristics that we couldn't see on the other limb," said Alexandra Houssaye from the National Museum of Natural History, Paris.

The 85cm-long (33in) creature, known as Eupodophis descouensi, comes from the Late Cretaceous, about 92 million years ago.

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How Eupodophis descouensi might have looked. The legs are far down the body

Unearthed near the village of al-Nammoura, it was originally described in 2000.

Its remains are divided across the two interior faces of a thin limestone block that has been broken apart.

Fossil snake at ESRF (BBC)
Synchrotron-radiation computed laminography produces fine detail

A portion of the vertebral column is missing; and in the process of preservation, the "tail" has become detached and positioned near the head.

But it is the unmistakable leg bones - fibula, tibia and femur - that catch the eye. The stumpy hind-limb is only 2cm (0.8in) long, and was presumably utterly useless to the animal in life.

Current evidence suggests that snakes started to emerge less than 150 million years ago.

Two theories compete. One points to a land origin in which lizards started to burrow, and as they adapted to their subterranean existence, their legs were reduced and lost - first the forelimbs and then the hind-limbs.

The second theory considers the origin to be in water, from marine reptiles.

This makes the few known bipedal snakes in the fossil record hugely significant, because they could hold the clues that settle this particular debate.

Legs in X-ray view (ESRF)
The top picture is a synchrotron view of the visible snake leg
Synchrotron light in the bottom view illuminates the hidden limb

"Every detail can be very important in establishing the great relationships and that's why we must know them very well," explained Ms Houssaye.

"I wanted to study the inner structure of different bones and so for that you would usually use destructive methods; but given that this is the only specimen [of E. descouensi], it is totally impossible to do that.

"3D reconstruction techniques were the only solution. We needed a good resolution and only this machine can do that," she told BBC News.

That machine is the European Synchrotron Radiation Facility. This giant complex on the edge of the Alps produces an intense, high-energy light that can pierce just about any material, revealing its inner structure.

For this study, the fossil snake was clamped to an inclined table and rotated in front of the facility's brilliant X-ray beam.

In a process known as computed laminography, many hundreds of 2D images are produced which can be woven, with the aid of a smart algorithm, into a detailed 3D picture.

The finished product, which can be spun around on a computer screen, reveals details that will be measured in just millionths of a metre.

The E. descouensi investigation shows the second leg hidden inside the limestone is bent at the knee.

"We can even see ankle bones," ESRF's resident palaeontologist Paul Tafforeau said.

"In most cases, we can't find digits; but that may be because they are not preserved or because, as this is a vestigial leg, they were never present."

To modern eyes, it may seem strange to think of a snake with legs.

But look at some of the more primitive modern snakes, such as boas and pythons, and you'll see evidence of their legged ancestry - tiny "spurs" sited near their ends, which today are used as grippers during sex.

EUROPEAN LIGHT SOURCE

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Electrons are fired into a linac, or straight accelerator. They're boosted in a small ring before entering the storage ring. The superfast particles are corralled by a train of magnets. Energy lost by turning electrons emerges as intense light (X-rays).

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The 850m-circumference ring has 32 magnet clusters, or cells. Electrons turned by plain magnets produce 'standard' X-rays. Particles 'wiggled' at undulator magnets emit stronger X-rays. X-rays can't turn with electrons and head straight down beamlines.

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Experiment 'hutches' receive the most intense X-rays in Europe. The light probes materials on the atomic and molecular scale. Robots can place many samples in the beam for rapid science. ESRF data leads to new materials, drugs, electronics, etc.



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: fossil; godsgravesglyphs; hindlimb; snake
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To: Soliton
Don't get me started. I know this guy with whom I cannot talk about Geology, Paleontology, or Astronomy. Every one of these fields deals with events that occurred millions of years ago. A mere passing reference to any events that old makes him cut me off and indoctrinate me with bible version of natural history.

I have been avoiding him now. He may think that, if he keeps hacking at me, he will eventually succeed. Won't happen.:-)

21 posted on 04/11/2008 9:17:58 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: allmendream

Thought so:)

Loved Hart!


22 posted on 04/11/2008 9:20:25 AM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: Coyoteman

Pingski


23 posted on 04/11/2008 9:25:29 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Do we really want Huma answering the White House phone at 3 AM?)
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To: F15Eagle

Exactly. Scripture validated again.


24 posted on 04/11/2008 9:27:44 AM PDT by Blogger (His love, not mine, the resting place, His truth, not mine, the tie.- Horatius Bonar)
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To: allmendream

25 posted on 04/11/2008 9:27:52 AM PDT by CJ Wolf (Let Freedom Ping List - Ron Paul - Ron Paul - Ron Paul - Join it.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Now there’s 2 more missing transitional fossils.


26 posted on 04/11/2008 9:28:59 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: traumer

I suspect there are hundreds of FReepers who wanted to post exactly what you did.

Kudos for speed and savvy;)

sod


27 posted on 04/11/2008 9:30:17 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair - man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption.)
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To: CJ Wolf
It looks like an unexplained mystery to me! LOL!
29 posted on 04/11/2008 9:34:34 AM PDT by allmendream ("A Lyger is pretty much my favorite animal." Napoleon Dynamite)
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To: allmendream

lol


30 posted on 04/11/2008 9:35:32 AM PDT by CJ Wolf (Let Freedom Ping List - Ron Paul - Ron Paul - Ron Paul - Join it.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
"The 85cm-long (33in) creature, known as Eupodophis descouensi, comes from the Late Cretaceous, about 92 million years ago. "

I didn't know the Kennedy family went back that far. Good deal for them they aren't Mormons.
31 posted on 04/11/2008 9:36:29 AM PDT by LIConFem (Thompson. Lifetime ACU Rating: 86 -- Hunter Lifetime ACU Rating: 92 (any combo will do, fellas))
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To: traumer

Those ain’t legs. Legs grow down from the hips. Those things are growin’ right out of the ground.


32 posted on 04/11/2008 9:37:27 AM PDT by LIConFem (Thompson. Lifetime ACU Rating: 86 -- Hunter Lifetime ACU Rating: 92 (any combo will do, fellas))
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To: Joe 6-pack
So tell me....how can we be certain from one of these fossils that these are vestigial limbs that have almost disappeared, and not budding limbs that are just starting to grow?

One would simply look at similar specimens in the fossil record that are older and younger and see if there is a trend.

33 posted on 04/11/2008 9:38:24 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: mnehrling
//sarc tag not needed?

The tag is apropriate in this case, but sarcasm is obvious to the wise and a tag would have spoiled the fun ;-)

34 posted on 04/11/2008 9:42:17 AM PDT by Soliton (McCain couldn't even win a McCain look-alike contest)
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To: Soliton

just had to make sure.. I’ve seen comments like that here before and the poster was completely serious.


35 posted on 04/11/2008 9:43:31 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: TigerLikesRooster

A wise man once said that you can not use reason to change a person’s opinion that wasn’t based on reason in the first place.


36 posted on 04/11/2008 9:45:04 AM PDT by Soliton (McCain couldn't even win a McCain look-alike contest)
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37 posted on 04/11/2008 10:40:07 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_____________________Profile updated Saturday, March 29, 2008)
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To: Beowulf9

clams


38 posted on 04/11/2008 11:04:14 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Soliton

Satan is pretty smart isn’t he? Makes you winder why he didn;t win the celestial war with St. Michael.


39 posted on 04/11/2008 12:40:53 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Soliton

Satan is pretty smart isn’t he? Makes you wonder why he didn’t win the celestial war with St. Michael.


40 posted on 04/11/2008 12:41:08 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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