Wouldn't you love to know how they got their hands on US made ammunition.
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To: PotatoHeadMick
It’s not hard to do. We’ve left or sold literally kilotons of the stuff all over the world in the last 40 years.
2 posted on
04/09/2008 8:06:08 PM PDT by
Spktyr
(Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
To: PotatoHeadMick
Also, someone’s got some problems, because the current helmet is proof against 5.56 NATO.
3 posted on
04/09/2008 8:06:48 PM PDT by
Spktyr
(Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
To: PotatoHeadMick
I don’t get it; are they claiming an American shot him?
To: PotatoHeadMick
Blame America! It’s easy to do.
5 posted on
04/09/2008 8:15:22 PM PDT by
b4its2late
(Ignorance allows liberalism to prosper.)
To: PotatoHeadMick
...were all killed by bullets from the same weapon, said a spokesman for the MoD. But he could not verify that a single gunman was responsible.
I would suspect that it's the same person firing the (same) weapon.
To: PotatoHeadMick
The caption to the picture in the article is “Aaron Lincoln: Killed by American-made bullets”.
7 posted on
04/09/2008 8:21:27 PM PDT by
james500
To: PotatoHeadMick
We’re in the process of moving Iraqi Army away from the AKs and giving them M-16A2/M-14s.
8 posted on
04/09/2008 8:27:27 PM PDT by
james500
To: PotatoHeadMick
We need to send a Carlos sniper of our own to stalk and kill theirs.
9 posted on
04/09/2008 8:36:01 PM PDT by
therut
To: PotatoHeadMick
Do you remember three Marine snipers getting cut off and killed?
10 posted on
04/09/2008 8:36:39 PM PDT by
mad_as_he$$
(John McCain - The Manchurian Candidate? http://www.usvetdsp.com/manchuan.htm)
To: PotatoHeadMick
...the military cannot yet provide helmets strong enough to withstand such powerful ammunition. Well, no. Military helmets are not constructed to resist direct hits by battle rifle ammunition. In fact, they never have been.
To: PotatoHeadMick
All they have is the projectile, or bullet? (or have they located the spent brass, too?)
I'm wondering if it isn't some sort of handloader projectile, which is unique enough to identify the manufacturer. Otherwise...would NATO projectiles be as easy to identify as NATO brass is? I don't know. Not familiar enough with 5.56 NATO rounds to tell the difference. More into the 7.62, .308 basic equivilant. I don't know if one could tell for sure about those either, unless they were 146 grn. boattails, or something. Otherwise, they all look the same to me. So --- what could it be? Slightly different bases? Metallurgical signature? Saw it crosswise and look at how the lead "ball" is, and how thick or thin the case walls are? What makes it ID as U.S. manufacture?
Just tossing this out there...since I'd bet some freeper might know.
13 posted on
04/09/2008 8:44:05 PM PDT by
BlueDragon
(here's the thing; do recognize the bell of truth when you here it ring, c'mon and sing it children)
To: PotatoHeadMick
It’s Basra, so it could be some bad guys in the Iraqi forces.
15 posted on
04/09/2008 8:49:18 PM PDT by
spunkets
("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
To: PotatoHeadMick
Lake City Ammunition is a supplier to the military. The ammo could have been found locally after a battle or stolen after a convoy ambush or any number of other ways. It does not mean it was bought in the US.
19 posted on
04/09/2008 8:59:30 PM PDT by
smoketree
(the insanity, the lunacy these days)
To: PotatoHeadMick
Wouldn't you love to know how they got their hands on US made ammunition. Sounds more like someone has one of Saddam's hunting rifle's, ie, a 22-250 loaded with military bullets.
20 posted on
04/09/2008 9:01:44 PM PDT by
org.whodat
(What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
To: PotatoHeadMick
“Wouldn’t you love to know how they got their hands on US made ammunition.”
I have boxes of Lake City ammunition. It’s supposedly the “match grade” military ammunition, suitable for competition. They dumped tons of the stuff on the market years ago; mine isn’t new manufacture by a long shot.
My question is, who makes ammo for the Brits?
29 posted on
04/09/2008 9:45:03 PM PDT by
PLMerite
("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
To: PotatoHeadMick
I know a guy that took a 5.56 to the back of the head. Knocked him out cold but the round didn’t penetrate.
31 posted on
04/09/2008 10:09:48 PM PDT by
VeniVidiVici
(Democrats - The Original Slave Owners)
To: PotatoHeadMick
First: it's a war zone, it's blanketed with both 7.65 and 5.56 arms..
Some British genius can prove that five rounds came from a single barrel?
(If so, they're part way to deciding whether it's an issue rifle or not...I kind of doubt that.)
Second, "cannot yet provide helmets strong enough to withstand such powerful ammunition" is not supported anywhere in he article.
"Such powerful ammunition" suggests either (dangerously) hand loaded .223 with or without non standard bullets, or mil-std loads with after market bullets (I've done both with Brit .303), or they're referring to issue 5.56, which is, in fact, "high power" by definition (necked, center fire, jacketed, high velocity).
In fact, all they can honestly say is that it was a 5.56 round, article does not specify armor piercing, standard jacketed, commercial, or other.
Relative power isn't in the equation unless they are assuming it because the helmet was penetrated. (As far as that goes, the standard test for a military round used to be it's ability to punch through a standard helmet at 100 yards.)
Coming out on the same day - I wonder if this is someone's attempt to balance (or improve upon) the "Iraqi's snub British troops" report from the Basra operation??
Finally;
Someone much more recently GI than I am might need to correct me, but -
A head shot, on a helmet, at some considerable range, with a varmint round?
(Target only has to move a fraction for "penetration" to mean "somewhat dented")
I'd happily strap that on if the target was a ground squirrel but for a hostile and helmeted human I'd want .308/.300 Win and I'd go for heart/lungs or pelvis. (Putting him down beats a missed shot or an embarrassing dent.)
33 posted on
04/09/2008 10:55:15 PM PDT by
norton
To: PotatoHeadMick
'This 5.56mm, U.S. manufactured round was not fired by friendly forces. Surprising that a comparitively light round (5.56 mm) would penetrate a helmet.
36 posted on
04/09/2008 11:19:46 PM PDT by
Mogollon
(Vote straight GOP for congress....our only protection against Obama-Clinton, or McCain.)
To: PotatoHeadMick
US gun laws don't apply to governments. There are lots of us weapons and ammo over there. I met a army person who had been hit in the leg by a Check three man sniper team. They were taken out with an AT 10 and before he left he was handed the model 70 and what was left of one of their passports
40 posted on
04/10/2008 12:03:03 AM PDT by
Domangart
(editor and publisher)
To: PotatoHeadMick
Best way to stop a sniper is with another sniper. Instead of making a big deal over this guy using US-made ammo, the Brits should be stalking this guy.
Hard to do that sitting on an airfield outside of town.
41 posted on
04/10/2008 5:04:59 AM PDT by
LSUfan
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