Posted on 04/07/2008 1:30:07 PM PDT by kimber
Description: Assembly Bill 2062 (De Leon) imposes (1) an ammunition purchasers permit requirement for Californians to purchase handgun ammo, (2) a fee for each Handgun ammo purchase and (3) requires a state license to sell ammunition. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AB 2062, as amended, De Leon. Ammunition. Existing law requires the Department of Justice to maintain records pertaining to firearms transactions.
This bill would require the department to maintain additional information relating to ammunition transfers, handgun ammunition permittees, and licensed handgun ammunition vendors, as specified.
Existing law establishes the Prohibited Armed Persons File, which lists persons who are prohibited from possessing firearms, as specified.
This bill would expand those provisions to include persons prohibited from possessing ammunition.
Existing law generally regulates the sale of ammunition.
This bill would establish a program administered by the Department of Justice for licensing handgun ammunition vendors, as specified. The bill would also authorize the issuance of a handgun ammunition permit, to be used by purchasers of handgun ammunition, as specified.
The bill would authorize the Department of Justice to incorporate the permit information into a permittee's California driver's license, as specified.
The bill would establish a database maintained by the department to serve as a registry of handgun ammunition vendors. The bill would also establish a database of handgun ammunition permittees.
This bill would require that commencing July 1, 2009, unless specifically excluded, no person shall sell or transfer more than 50 rounds of handgun ammunition in any month unless they are registered as a handgun ammunition vendor, as defined. The bill would also require these vendors to obtain a background clearance for those employees who would handle ammunition in the course and scope of their employment. The bill would require the Department of Justice to maintain a registry of registered handgun ammunition vendors, as specified. Violation of these provisions, as specified, would be subject to civil fines, as specified a misdemeanor .
By creating a new crime, this bill would impose a state-mandated local program.
The bill would also provide that no retail seller of ammunition shall sell, offer for sale, or display for sale, any handgun ammunition in a manner that allows that ammunition to be accessible to a purchaser without the assistance of the retailer or employee thereof. Violation of these provisions would be subject to civil fines, as specified.
The bill would further provide that handgun ammunition may only be purchased in a face-to-face transaction and only if certain conditions exist.
Existing law generally regulates what information is required to be obtained in connection with the transfer of ammunition.
This bill would, subject to exceptions, commencing July 1, 2009, require certain ammunition vendors to obtain a thumbprint and other information from ammunition purchasers, and would require submission of that information to the Department of Justice, as specified. A violation of these provisions would be subject to civil fines, as specified a misdemeanor .
This bill would provide that a person enjoined from engaging in activity associated with a criminal street gang, as specified, would be prohibited from having under his or her possession custody or control, any ammunition. Violation of these provisions would be a misdemeanor.
The bill would prohibit supplying or delivering, as specified, handgun ammunition to prohibited persons, as described, by persons or others who know or have cause to believe the recipient is a persons prohibited from possessing ammunition. Violation of these provisions is a misdemeanor with specified penalties.
By creating new crimes, this bill would impose a state-mandated local program.
The California Constitution requires the state to reimburse local agencies and school districts for certain costs mandated by the state. Statutory provisions establish procedures for making that reimbursement.
This bill would provide that no reimbursement is required by this act for a specified reason.
Vote: majority. Appropriation: no. Fiscal committee: yes. State-mandated local program: no yes .
Well well...someone finally listened to Chris Rock...
“We don’t need gun control, we need bullet control. If someone is found shot to death when bullets cost $100 a piece, we’ll say ‘dang, he deserved it.’”
These bills are rediculious! Maryland tried a 5 cent per round tax. Thankfully it failed.
If they'll pass microstamping, they'll certainly pass this bill.
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You are so very right, they never give up. This bill was first introduced back in 2005. The goal is to disarm all Americans, I give it 50 years if not sooner, in the Peoples Socialist Republic of California before this state is part of Mexico.
Could we just tell Mexico we're sorry, and give it back?
When a Californian says that to me, I agree.
When I say it to a Californian, they get mad.
Now is the time to buy hand held bullet molds in every caliber that you own a handgun. Remember that your old car batteries are a supply source for lead.
Didn’t Calif have something similar years ago? Store had to record ammo sales and buyer ID himself. Thought was that shooting crime could be traced by looking at who bought what ammo.
But no crime was ever solved by it, and process was stopped due to excessive, needless paperwork requirements.
Am I remembering this right???
Car battery lead = bad.
Plumber lead = good.
Read all about Cadmium here http://www.speclab.com/elements/cadmium.htm.
Ammunition purchase fee? Thumbprinting ammunition purchasers? Just one more step in the road to criminalizing gun ownership... I wonder how long till they make reloading your ammo illegal, that can’t be far behind if they’re seeking to regulate and register every round sold.
Most of my hunting areas have gone to no-lead ammo to save the Condor. A box 0f 7mm mag costs about $58 and now this!
In most free Western nations where the citizens are unarmed, where they have no true means of self defense may that be against criminal elements or the state itself; where the entire monopoly of force rests in the states hands, this natural right was taken away in the form of a million small paper cuts.
The ultimate goal is to disarm citizens, the purpose of course is for their safety. This flawed argument is always always at the core, so are the methods which basically aim to kill a right through bureaucratic means. The question is if America will stand or succumb as well. So far, many in the US have resisted, but as demographics change, people generally dumb down, and the permissive (except for guns) cultural decay continues, I fear we too will abdicate our rights for a soup kitchen of a welfare and security state.
With freedom comes personal responsibility, may that be retirements, health care, or a slew of other aspects. Listen to those like Obama, or Hillery. Basically they preach security at the expense of personal liberty, because many people choose or fear managing their own lives, they would rather have a state do it for them. A horrible idea, but obviously it sounds good to many, and their numbers are growing. It is this exact same thinking that is behind gun control essentially, and it too just like social medicine is a recipe for failure.
The entire country had that law, and you are correct that it didn't solve one single crime.
I hope everyone understands that these laws have nothing to do with solving or preventing crime (by civilians anyway).
wheel weight lead is good too.
Why put off the inevitable?
The lead you get from these sources may not be as hard as desired. There are tools to measure the hardness. Avoid using lead that is too soft in high performance cartridges e.g. .454 Casull or 460 S&W.
I shoot BP, so am looking for dead soft lead. If I start using lead bullets for my pistols, wheal weight would be a good way to go.
I use Buffalo molds for my 54. Really nice products.
“Remember that your old car batteries are a supply source for lead.”
Car batteries are not suitable for casting lead as they have some other chemicals that make them quite dangerous to handle. Wheel weights work fine.
One of the best reasons to shoot a .45 cal. Big slow bullet equals minimal or no barrel leading.
I’ve got some weapons that have never fired a factory round.
Reload!
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