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Another Unconservative Moment from John McCain
American Thinker ^ | March 30, 2008 | Jeffrey Schmidt

Posted on 03/30/2008 12:25:30 AM PDT by neverdem

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1 posted on 03/30/2008 12:25:31 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
In rejecting McCain's global warming position, conservatives, above all, remain true to themselves.

BAM! The money quote strikes again!

2 posted on 03/30/2008 12:32:53 AM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: neverdem
Let's say he gets a pass for that little maneuver.

Let's say he doesn't get a pass.

In rejecting McCain's global warming position, conservatives, above all, remain true to themselves.

The only effective way to reject a socialist like McCain and his policies is to reject him by voting for a conservative. The hold your nose and vote for the lesser of two evils will only beget more evil and more socialism. It's that precise mentality that has allowed McCain and his socialist ideals to become the GOP front runner.
3 posted on 03/30/2008 12:34:05 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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The only problem with what you have said is any remaining conservative who is running for POTUS in ‘08 is running either as a third party candidate for POTUS or is running as an Independent candidate for POTUS, and they can’t seriously win the race for POTUS no matter how much people seriously do wish that they could actually win! This is what continues to be frustrating about having a “two political party” system in place when, in this case, all of the major political party candidates for POTUS are socialists this time around. IMHO, a two party system in place is still much better overall than having a multi-party system in place, but this still isn’t going to stop the majority of conservative voters throughout the U.S. from complaining about the current situation with legitimate reasons for their complaints with regards to the ongoing ‘08 race for POTUS!


4 posted on 03/30/2008 12:48:47 AM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (Vote for conservatives AT ALL POLITICAL LEVELS! Encourage all others to do the same on November 4!)
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To: johnthebaptistmoore
The only problem with what you have said is any remaining conservative who is running for POTUS in ‘08 is running either as a third party candidate for POTUS or is running as an Independent candidate for POTUS, and they can’t seriously win the race for POTUS no matter how much people seriously do wish that they could actually win!

It is this precise type of thinking that has led us into this socialistic mess. The "we can't win attitude" is predicated on the assumption voting for a socialist simply because he has an R after his name some how legitimizes the action. Such rationalization only empowers the very people those who employ such thinking oppose. That is not a winning strategy. Only socialists win with that mentality.

It is also predicated on the assumption we have a two party system. The GOP has moved so far to the left in an effort to appease those who are not Conservative that the party has been incrementally aligning itself with the socialist Democrats. They are essentially one party. The only way Conservatives can win is by voting for a Conservative in another party. Doing so will restore the two party system.
5 posted on 03/30/2008 1:07:23 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: neverdem

I think I’m just going to start calling him “J.J. McCain.”

John Judas, ya know...


6 posted on 03/30/2008 1:13:53 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (One nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all...)
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7 posted on 03/30/2008 1:36:49 AM PDT by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger then yours)
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The good news is that McCain isn’t president yet. No cap-and-trade legislation has been passed. Heaven knows, global warming enthusiasts, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, would make a McCain policy look downright pro-business. Al Gore’s dour visage hangs over their proposals like a big, black cloud.
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This is our real problem, as conservatives. We know McCain is not good in several ways, particularly this issue. However, we know that the Demodogs are far worse.

I just hope that McCain can be pressured more effectively by conservative thought.


8 posted on 03/30/2008 1:40:00 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: neverdem

Ronald Reagan would be a huge RINO by todays standrds.

Reagan increased the size of of ther Fed substantially, granted amnesty and gave Osama a following (see PBS documentary on Osama and Arnett interview).

Only DU and KOs posters NEED you to believe McCain is worse than the Obama/Wright ticket.


9 posted on 03/30/2008 1:53:23 AM PDT by NoLibZone (Duncan Hunter- The very Govts unwilling to support us in the WOT got the Fuel Tanker Deal)
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To: Man50D
It's that precise mentality that has allowed McCain and his socialist ideals to become the GOP front runner.

Let's examine that. Did more than 50% of the GOP vote for McCain? No. He became the front runner because so many supported liberals. Huckabee? Tax and spend nanny state liberal. Mitt Romney? Actually said, during a Republican presidential debate that government mandates are good, that they work.

So, no, the mentality was that someone's faith was supposedly more important than being a conservative, that someone who was governor of Massachusetts was more important than being a conservative. I proudly supported Fred Thompson, I didn't have to hide from his stances.

So, gosh, a lot already held their noses, ignoring what they were voting for. Amazing how their abilities end now.

10 posted on 03/30/2008 2:18:44 AM PDT by kingu (Party for rent - conservative opinions not required.)
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To: NoLibZone
"Only DU and KOs posters NEED you to believe McCain is worse than the Obama/Wright ticket."

Granted. I'll be the first to say McCain is a better choice than Obama and the beast. But we are still going to get screwed. Count on it.

11 posted on 03/30/2008 2:36:57 AM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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That is my feeling, that no matter who wins we get screwed. Might as well get screwed by a Dem, maybe then the Reps left in congress wll grow a pair and fight a little bit. With McCain in office the Dems will get anything they want passed.


12 posted on 03/30/2008 2:44:36 AM PDT by wastoute
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To: wastoute
"With McCain in office the Dems will get anything they want passed."

McCain and the global warming nuts are really going to screw us.

13 posted on 03/30/2008 2:58:39 AM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: neverdem

I am not a big McCain supporter by any stretch of the imagination but politically this kind of talk will swing a lot of democrats his way. The democrats are in big, bid trouble and their base is in turmoil, they are going to be looking for an alternative to vote for and McCain might be looking pretty good to them right about now.

McCain, with all his flaws, is going to reap all the benefits of the democrat chaos and his ‘liberal speak’ is just icing on the cake, politically, and with Mitt Romney as his running mate he will bring more Republicans back into the fold.

This country can not afford either of the Socialist candidates the democrats have chosen as their flag bearers even for four years, the damage they would do is incalculable.


14 posted on 03/30/2008 3:22:26 AM PDT by RetSignman (DEMSM: "If you tell a big enough lie, frequently enough, it becomes the truth")
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To: Man50D
The hold your nose and vote for the lesser of two evils will only beget more evil and more socialism. It's that precise mentality that has allowed McCain and his socialist ideals to become the GOP front runner. - Agreed!
15 posted on 03/30/2008 3:31:25 AM PDT by Free_at_last_-2001 (A country can survive its fools, but it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: Free_at_last_-2001
I agree!
With a RINO we are probably better off letting a DEM make the mess and getting the balme for it, kinda the Jimmah Carter plan. Jimmah got us RR.
I no longer consider myself a Republican. Conservative: YES
16 posted on 03/30/2008 3:41:59 AM PDT by DeaconRed (We must make sure our Brave Military gets the support to Win This WAR. Not another Viet Nam.)
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To: neverdem
" ... In rejecting McCain ('s global warming position) , conservatives, above all, remain true to themselves.


That sums it up for me.


ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒE

17 posted on 03/30/2008 3:50:12 AM PDT by G.Mason (Duty, Honor, Country)
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Given our options; 'remaining true to ourselves' by this definition, does not work, IMHO. It is as much a recipe for disaster as is the Demrat insistance, that we 'withdraw from Iraq'.

All things are not equal here; including the 'the lesser of two evils'.

The act of 'throwing another, under the bus' so as to consider one's self-interest has become a 'national pastime' lateley. A Hillary or an Obama 'win'; would do just that to our Military.

I would reccomend that a good Conservative support McCain; at least vote for him; and for our Repub Party. . .and then ensure that McCain has more of the Right Congressional 'company' in two years.

Also, if 'we' are not there, behind him - now; he has only one Constituency to please exclusively. The more 'friends' McCain can rely on' along the way here - the better. (Unlike Hillary or Obama; McCain's problem is more an 'ignorance' rather than an ideological committment.) There are cracks of 'light' that can be enlarged here. Beyond our Military; there are at least, some caveats; some hope while we work to restore. . .and the closer 'we' are to power here at home; the more advantageous our efforts.

So, throwing our Military 'under the bus' is not - IMHO an option. The tire here will be on every soldier's face; and ours as well.

(Our withdrawing from this fight; is no different than 'Demrat Iraq strategy'). . .

We are expecting our soldiers to stay engaged in Iraq so as to influence and so they/we may succeed. They fight on behalf of an Iraq that is both 'for them' and against them. We need to do the same, re OUR home-grown enemy; not manipulating 'lesser evils'; but keeping in mind, the greatest of evils.)

18 posted on 03/30/2008 3:56:40 AM PDT by cricket (Damn Political Correctness; before it irretrievably, damns us all. . .)
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To: blackbart.223
But we are still going to get screwed. Count on it.

We should all be getting used to it by now... Expect the worst, hope for the best and above all else, deal with it!

19 posted on 03/30/2008 4:01:44 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Man50D

I CANNOT make myself vote for the man. Can’t do it. I won’t vote for any Rat, but for the first time since Ford I won’t be voting for the R for POTUS ( and I campaigned for Goldwater and Nixon before that!). I’m beside myself that the GOP has a golden opportunity to pull this out with the fratricide on the Rat side, when 6 months ago it looked like a lost cause, and we end up with HIM as our candidate....


20 posted on 03/30/2008 4:18:18 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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