Posted on 03/26/2008 10:35:37 AM PDT by darth
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In Cook County IL, one of the Dems favorite places to go for votes are nursing homes. They “help” the people fill out their ballots. With the aging of baby boomers, this is going to become an even more fruitful source for votes.
Just curious—”early voting” started here yesterday and there was a record turnout. Where are all of these early vote ballots kept until election day? Hmmmmm
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You still have paper ballots in Cook County? Here is Houston dim Election Judges used to take the ballots home for a day or two. Without Poll Watchers and Repub Election Judges you are....scroood.
Where I vote or the polls I have worked, they have been fooling around with various methods for the past several election cycles since the hanging chads. It’s to make the vote more accurate, you see...yeah, right. I believe they use some sort of touch screen or punch card in most polling places. Without anyone watching in places like nursing homes, you are indeed scroood.
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Volunteer — after reading your post, it sounded all so familiar that I had to look up your location on your home page. Aha! Just as I thought. WISCONSIN. I am an election judge in Wisconsin and what you say is entirely true. We cannot ask if the registrant is a citizen. We cannot ask to SEE their ID if they are using their DL or their SS# number to register. The registrant is supposed to SAY their number and we write it down — taking their word for it. Nobody knows if it is a real number until it fails to come up when the County clerk tries to enter it into the permanent list. Of course, by then the new voter’s vote has already been cast and counted.
It doesn’t matter if a voter is kicked off the poll list between elections because everybody can re-register at the polls at the next election.
In 2008, I got reamed out by a voter and reported to my city clerk because I made a sign that said the new registerents had to provide their DL number is they had one, and the last 4 numbers of the SS # if they didn’t have a DL number or a State ID #. I had double checked the content of my signs IN ADVANCE of the ELECTION 4 times to make sure that they were legal, but I was told to remove the signs while the Democrats smirked.
I complained to the State Board that I was required to sign off on each new registration and that, in my view, that made me responsible for false information. THeir response? I’m not responsible.
In my view, the Wisconsin voter laws are a sham and have so many loopholes in them (put there by Dems) that they are worthless. Many, many people lbrag that it’s “OK” for students to vote at home and at school; for vacation home owners to vote at botheir their winter residences and their summer residences.
We have a law that was supposed to have closed those loopholes by 2008, but it is not even near to implementation. I’m close to quitting, but I’ll go one more round in 2010.
Oh, yes — felony convictions. At least now the county clerk provides us with a list of convicted felons from our municipality to cross check — but they wouldn’t show up in another county.
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in otherwards, if you want to stop the Dem fraud, get up off your asses and fight it.
Ballot Transparency to Eliminate Fraudulent Counts
Voters have read and seen all sorts of assurances that the new touch-screen balloting systems are fool proof, tamper proof, and nothing to worry about. Many, including those who are familiar with the technology, are not at all reassured.
The concerns are on two levels. First, from the perspective of those not familiar with the technology, it is a device whose inner workings and inherent security they cannot possibly understand. If they can't understand it, how can they be assured that it is honest? Second, those who DO understand signal processing, software, and communications technology know that is far too easy to defraud the system in a way that would be irreversible and undetected. Either way, touch-screens are a loser.
Now, as users of ATMs, cell phones, the Internet, and other electronic media, it might at first seem a little strange that so many people have such concerns. Upon further consideration however, the key distinctions between voting and a service handling mere money become obvious:
· Customers have a choice of banking vendors. Citizens don’t have a choice of governments.
· There is a major difference between mere financial assets at risk, and a risk to individual liberty.
Governments are monopolies. One can go down the street to another bank and take the offending bank to court. An evil government can land you in prison (or worse) because they ARE the court. The stakes associated with voter fraud are far higher than with an ATM. So is the temptation to defraud the system.
Necessary and Sufficient
So, given that we are still smarting over hanging chads, what are the alternatives? Let’s begin to answer that question by looking at the requirements.
· The system has to be simple and familiar to the voter.
· There must be NO SOFTWARE involved, because it is too easy to change.
· The system must be capable of completely manual operation.
· The count must be capable of being validated by all parties involved and each count must be separate and distinct.
· There must be no possibility to count a ballot twice or "lose" counts along the way.
Electronic sensors and interlocks are permissible as long as they can be duplicated manually.
Here is my proposal for a system that meets these requirements:
At the Polling Place
1. Ballot boxes must be preprinted, serialized and tracked by a physical chain-of-custody document.
2. The box must be destroyed to be opened.
3. The box must be locked under a ballot receiving machine.
4. The ballot receiving machine at the polling place should read the box number and record it on the ballot in a fill-in-the-box pattern on the back side. Note that one could do the same manually under observation.
5. The voter completes the standard optical ballot and delivers it to the receiving machine. Note that the optical pattern is a perfect bridge between human and machine: It is readable by people for manual counting but does not require an optical character reading machine that needs cameras or software.
6. The machine prints the box number on the back of every ballot it accepts with a fill-in-the-box pattern. This too can be both read and performed manually. Then a dry film coating (basically an adhesive or heat activated tape) is applied to the ballot on the way into the sealed ballot box.
7. The coating is transparent but reveals a "watermark" when exposed to UV light. The ballot is now tamperproof.
8. The receiving machine totals the number of ballots in every box. The total is read manually and a receipt is delivered to each political party and candidate detailing the box numbers, precincts, and tally of ballots in every uniquely identified box. Thus parties know the EXACT number of ballots cast in every precinct and in every box. Every box is signed. All parties can thus run check sums at the processing centers and verify the chain-of-custody.
9. Representatives of all Parties check the box tallies before the boxes leave the polling place.
10. If they agree on its accuracy, they record the ballot tally on the box using a fill-in-the-box pattern, initial it, and put a similar dry film over the number.
At the Ballot Counting Center
1. The total of the ballots on the box is read by the counting machine. It would be very similar to the existing optical reader and might only require very minor modifications.
2. The counting machine reads the box code for precinct and ballot count or accepts that data input from a keypad read off the box by at least two witnesses with keys. The machine will not count the ballots without the UV visible watermark on the ballot over the votes AND matching precinct codes on the box and the ballot.
3. The machine halts and will not display the vote totals if the number of ballots recorded on the box and the number it counts do not match.
4. The ballots leave the counting machine get a NEW ballot box. Counted ballots are stamped again with output box number, recoated, and then deposited into the new sealed ballot box.
5. The new coating was applied in case of a recount, thus each ballot maintains a recount history.
Very well thought out.
We will have to fight to change the system. The crooks will not go quietly.
You are free to do whatever you want with it; I've got one very full plate.
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Good stuff.
Ping for future read.
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