[BigBadVoodooDaddy]

I want to throw something out here and see what happens.

How do you all feel about raising the mandatory sentences for crimes where a gun is involved (robbery, assault, and worse)?

And in a similar vein, what about as gun owner who has their weapon used in a crime they didn’t commit (a kid takes a parent’s weapon from a secure locale and does harm)?

Please no flaming, no anger. I don’t own a gun, nor do I have kids, so I’m really intersted in what law-abiding gun-owners have to say.

Thanks.

[BigBadVoodooDaddy]

sorry for the typo..

the second question should read “what about A gun owner..”

(I know...it wasn’t the best use of English either way)

:)

[Redbob]

"How do you all feel about raising the mandatory sentences for crimes where a gun is involved (robbery, assault, and worse)? And in a similar vein, what about as gun owner who has their weapon used in a crime they didn’t commit (a kid takes a parent’s weapon from a secure locale and does harm."

If you'd been paying attention, you'd know your questions have already been amply answered:

the NRA has been at the forefront of legislation that does just what you suggest.

Idiot.

[xsrdx]

Member 2008-03-12

Please no flaming, no anger. I don’t own a gun, nor do I have kids, so I’m really intersted in what law-abiding gun-owners have to say.

IBTZ?

Everybody over age 18 should have a submachine gun. Next?

[Sloth]

How do you all feel about raising the mandatory sentences for crimes where a gun is involved (robbery, assault, and worse)?

I favor the death penalty for all premeditated violent crimes, gun or not.

And in a similar vein, what about as gun owner who has their weapon used in a crime they didn’t commit (a kid takes a parent’s weapon from a secure locale and does harm)?

What about them?

[Condor51]

**** How do you all feel about raising the mandatory sentences for crimes where a gun is involved (robbery, assault, and worse)? ****

That law is already on the books - pushed by the NRA. All a city has to do is ask the Feds to Prosecute. The irony IS that a city almost never does; i.e. Chicago, because that criminal with a gun has family that Votes. (not sarcasm)

**** And in a similar vein, what about as gun owner who has their weapon used in a crime they didn’t commit (a kid takes a parent’s weapon from a secure locale and does harm)? ^^^^

Change 'Gun' to 'Hammer', or to 'Chain Saw', or 'Car', or 'Baseball Bat', or 'Knife', etc, and your question answers itself.

Odds are YOU own scores of 'weapons' that could kill someone - like a Parker Ballpoint Pen to the throat. Are YOU responsible if someone steals 'it' and uses it in a crime without your knowledge? That would be pretty absurd, correct.

[RedRover]

Okay, I’ll play.

A crime is committed by a person, not the tool. A person can be savagely murdered with a ballpoint pen or pair of pliers. Any attempt to shift the blame from the criminal to the tool of choice is liberal nonsense.

[Manly Warrior]

The US Government and most states already add to minimum sentecnes for firearms use in crimes (not really sure why a firearms is any more threatening that a golf club, in most situtations anyway).

Well, I guess the same logic must apply if an unauthorized person talkes the family car, butcher knife, prescription meds etc and uses them illegally as well. Certainly there is a reasonable amount of care and concern in securing/preventing all of the above “things” as wellas firearms from inappropriate use, but then let laws relflect the concept, not the individual item.

there is so much negative press concerning firearms, we all to often forget that vast numbers of our populace maintina, use and keep firearms of every flavor with no harm or foul to the neighbor-kinda like most other things....

Demonize and punish criminals, not the things they use or take; we the people cannot afford to surrender every freedom and individual liberty for some purported feel-good security.

I am responsible for my own safety, not the government; I possess/carry a firearms since it is my decision making that employs it and besides, cops are too smelly and heavy to carry (nor do I trust anyone else for my safety or that of my loved ones).

Lastly, this whole event is not very relevant to my right to self-defense anyway; the US Constitution and the BOR does not grant me anything, rather “in order to form a more perfect union....”; I have already been granted these rights among others by my Creator, it (we) grant the government certain powers that are specifically restricted and can be even more so.

MOLON LABE

God Bless

[Rick.Donaldson]

How do you all feel about raising the mandatory sentences for crimes where a gun is involved (robbery, assault, and worse)?

Most jurisdictions already have stiff penalties for using guns in crimes, not all but most.

And in a similar vein, what about as gun owner who has their weapon used in a crime they didn’t commit (a kid takes a parent’s weapon from a secure locale and does harm)?

Kids are, as minors not responsible for their actions, most of the time - the parents in most states are. I know that in the states I've lived in (several) that each of those states have laws that cover damages when a child commits a crime. However, that doesn't make the parents 'responsible for the actions' of their kids. A child is someone who is under 18 years of age, however, anti-gun people would have you believe that "children" is anyone up to the age of 23 or 24, and even sometimes 25 (look at "crime statistics" generated by anti-gun people.

As a law-abiding gun owner, who has raised 5 children, and has 11 grandchildren, I can tell you that the most important aspect of ALL of this is teaching children GUN SAFETY at a very young age. As soon as they are reasonably able to understand and comprehend. In some cases, as young as 2 years old, it's a good idea to start teaching gun safety (that doesn't mean handing guns to children, it means teaching them what a gun is and what it can do even if it is 'this can hurt you, don't touch this without mommy or daddy being with you and letting you' type of stuff).

There are already a LOT of gun laws on the books, where using one in a crime gives you a stiffer penalty. It's not about making laws tougher at all. It's about simply enforcing CRIMINAL LAW first and foremost. If you murder someone you should be in jail for as long as possible. If you do it deliberately and you're not in a situation defending your own life, then sorry, it ought to be execution.

But, look around you at the idiocy of the laws. The same people that want to BAN GUNS are the same idiots that think abortion is OK, but executing a criminal is BAD.

We don't need more laws. We need to get rid of a few.

[LexBaird]

How do you all feel about raising the mandatory sentences for crimes where a gun is involved (robbery, assault, and worse)? And in a similar vein, what about as gun owner who has their weapon used in a crime they didn’t commit (a kid takes a parent’s weapon from a secure locale and does harm)?

I found long ago that questions like you pose can be easily answered by substituting "car" for "gun". Do that, and see if your question sounds reasonable.

Examples: "CARS kill X teenagers and children annually, so only police and emergency services should be able to own them."

"Criminals can readily find CARS to use in their crimes, Commonly they steal them, so you shouldn't have a CAR in your home."

"CARS are commonly used by depressed people to commit suicide. There should be a national registry so clinically depressed people can't buy CARS"

[Centurion2000]

And in a similar vein, what about as gun owner who has their weapon used in a crime they didn’t commit (a kid takes a parent’s weapon from a secure locale and does harm)?

Punish the criminal, not the property.

[LonePalm]

First Question: No problem with stricter sentencing.

Second Question: The police return the gun to the rightful owner and leave. The perp gets a harsher sentence.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)
LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

[antiRepublicrat]

And in a similar vein, what about as gun owner who has their weapon used in a crime they didn’t commit

I'll answer that with another hypothetical: What if somebody steals your car and uses it in a bank robbery?

[B4Ranch]

>I want to throw something out here and see what happens.

How do you all feel about raising the mandatory sentences for crimes where a gun is involved (robbery, assault, and worse)?

And in a similar vein, what about as gun owner who has their weapon used in a crime they didn’t commit (a kid takes a parent’s weapon from a secure locale and does harm)?

Please no flaming, no anger. I don’t own a gun, nor do I have kids, so I’m really intersted in what law-abiding gun-owners have to say.

Thanks.<

How do you all feel about raising the mandatory sentences for crimes where a automobile is involved (robbery, assault, hit and run, drunk driving, kidnapping, and worse)?

And in a similar vein, what about as automobile owner who has their automobile used in a crime they didn’t commit (a kid takes a parent’s automobile from a secure locale and does harm)?

What is it about guns that makes you shake? Have you ever slaughtered a cow on your own property. Did you club it to death with a steel crowbar or humanely shoot it in the brain with a .22 rifle.

[supercat]

How do you all feel about raising the mandatory sentences for crimes where a gun is involved (robbery, assault, and worse)?

How do you feel about being lenient with robbers, rapists, etc. who refrain from using icky nasty guns for their crimes?

[mad_as_he$$]

Many states do just that. Often the gun charge brings more time than the actual crime committed.