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Why Shariah? (nauseating)
New York Times ^ | March 16, 2008 | Noah Feldman

Posted on 03/17/2008 1:10:47 PM PDT by reaganaut1

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In some sense, the outrage about according a degree of official status to Shariah in a Western country should come as no surprise. No legal system has ever had worse press. To many, the word “Shariah” conjures horrors of hands cut off, adulterers stoned and women oppressed. By contrast, who today remembers that the much-loved English common law called for execution as punishment for hundreds of crimes, including theft of any object worth five shillings or more? How many know that until the 18th century, the laws of most European countries authorized torture as an official component of the criminal-justice system? As for sexism, the common law long denied married women any property rights or indeed legal personality apart from their husbands. [...]

In fact, for most of its history, Islamic law offered the most liberal and humane legal principles available anywhere in the world. Today, when we invoke the harsh punishments prescribed by Shariah for a handful of offenses, we rarely acknowledge the high standards of proof necessary for their implementation. Before an adultery conviction can typically be obtained, for example, the accused must confess four times or four adult male witnesses of good character must testify that they directly observed the sex act. The extremes of our own legal system — like life sentences for relatively minor drug crimes, in some cases — are routinely ignored. We neglect to mention the recent vintage of our tentative improvements in family law. It sometimes seems as if we need Shariah as Westerners have long needed Islam: as a canvas on which to project our ideas of the horrible, and as a foil to make us look good.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: crushimams; crushislam; dhimmi; dhimmitude; islam; islamiclaw; muslimappeasement; nyt; selfhater; sharia; shariah; sharialaw
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To: reaganaut1

21 posted on 03/17/2008 1:22:50 PM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: reaganaut1
Executing people for adultery is ok,.... Really? You'd KILL someone for a moral failing? Really precludes divorce, doesn't it. Me thinks you were cheated on.
22 posted on 03/17/2008 1:23:06 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: MrB
Non-muslims must wear identifying clothing.

Ah, it worked so well before...


24 posted on 03/17/2008 1:23:19 PM PDT by Old Sarge (CTHULHU '08 - I won't settle for a lesser evil any longer!)
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To: Williams

“Forget the sexist angle, how about the insanity of executing people for adultery in the first place?”

Oh yeah, forgot about that LOLOL!!!!!


25 posted on 03/17/2008 1:23:44 PM PDT by Fox_Mulder77
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To: MrB

Don’t you just love moral relativism? I guess we can go back to slavery because the Arabs (usually Muslims) still engage in it.


26 posted on 03/17/2008 1:25:04 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: Old Sarge

Everyone should read

The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam

to dispel all this BS about what Shari’a really is about.

Your picture shows what it’s like for dhimmis - and some things are even worse.


27 posted on 03/17/2008 1:26:04 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: MrB

Sharia Law also provides for pushing brick walls over on homosexuals.


28 posted on 03/17/2008 1:26:10 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: reaganaut1
Think about a Harvard law prof DEFENDING a system of killing a woman for having sex, only because he wants to defend a threat to Western Civilization.

This same prof will decry the conviction, much less the execution of a cold blooded child murderer in America.

29 posted on 03/17/2008 1:26:48 PM PDT by Williams
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To: oneamericanvoice

I think your sarcasm detector is out of calibration.


30 posted on 03/17/2008 1:27:44 PM PDT by WayneS (Don't Blame Me, I voted for Kodos!)
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To: muawiyah

I find it hillarious, in a sick way,

when a leftist denounces, in the same breath,

“right wing islamophobia” and “right wing homophobia” and “right wing sexism”.


31 posted on 03/17/2008 1:28:15 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: MrB

Sharia: coming to a high school near you.


32 posted on 03/17/2008 1:29:27 PM PDT by Old Sarge (CTHULHU '08 - I won't settle for a lesser evil any longer!)
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To: AU72
If Shariah law is coming to the west, I’m putting all my money in prosthetic device companies. LOL!!! I'm with ya! BTW, if Shariah comes to the West, where will the kids play soccer? Will the Muzzies use the baseball diamonds for simultanious multiple loppings? Just a thought.
33 posted on 03/17/2008 1:29:35 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: Digital Sniper

Where did you get that poster? Could we use it at our rally?


34 posted on 03/17/2008 1:30:26 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: reaganaut1
Sharia law is very democratic.. In fact democracy is like Sharia.. They are both tribal law.. or MOB Rule.. That is the srongest Mob or consortium of Mobs wins.. Mob rule by mobsters.. is what they both are..

Consider the American democrats, its all about the Mob.. same in Sharia.. they are the same thing.. Democracy is Mob Rule.. That is WHY the American System is a republic and not a democracy.. The democrats ae very tribal.. Democracy is tribal law.. The tribe that rules is the most ruthless tribe.. You know, like in Sharia Law..

35 posted on 03/17/2008 1:31:23 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: MrB
They just hate us and want to destroy us (I mean our own leftists) it's so obvious when they lovingly defend a system which is despotical, fanatical, sexist, primitive, brutal, etc.

But this isn't the first time. They loved, and still love, every despotic communist state. The leftists are really bad people, they will gladly hand you over to a commisar for execution.

36 posted on 03/17/2008 1:31:28 PM PDT by Williams
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To: oneamericanvoice
Where did you get that poster?

I made it.

Could we use it at our rally?

By all means. Use it in good health!

37 posted on 03/17/2008 1:32:51 PM PDT by Digital Sniper (Hello, "Undocumented Immigrant." I'm an "Undocumented Border Patrol Agent.")
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To: Old Sarge

-”Ah, it worked so well before...”

It sure did, and the Nazis learned it from the Muslims, not the other way around. The Mohammedans were using that trick centuries ago.


38 posted on 03/17/2008 1:34:14 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Puppage
And, the author is a Jew?

This is the same guy who went completely bats#!t when the Jewish high school he went to forgot to include a picture of him and his non-Jewish wife in their alumni newsletter.

39 posted on 03/17/2008 1:34:23 PM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: reaganaut1

The thing is, the practice of law and constitutional argument in the “West” has progressed to the point where those rather harsh legal standards that were once applied have been either rescinded in the statutes, , or vastly reduced.

Shar’ia “law”, on the other hand, is all the very worst of the capricious, authoritarian, and overly enthusiastic application of vague “principles” that vary from one religious authority to another. Inconsistent in its application, it is a code written in invisible ink, on paper that disappears with a puff, only to reappear when the accused is standing in the dock, preparatory to executing the “just punishment” for some real or imaginary infraction of an obscure prohibition.

And it is always about some prohibition, never granting an equal representation to all parties involved.


40 posted on 03/17/2008 1:35:46 PM PDT by alloysteel (No provision for ANY political party was ever written in the Constitution)
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