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To: kiriath_jearim
"the founding fathers determined that an armed population was the best way to resist takeover by dictatorship or aristocracy"

No, they did not. They determined that a well regulated Miltia was necessary to the security of a free state. Not an armed populace.

It's right there in the second amendment.

6 posted on 03/16/2008 3:05:33 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
They determined that a well regulated Miltia was necessary to the security of a free state. Not an armed populace

So which will guarantee the rights of you and I, the regulated militia (and regulated by who?) or the armed populace?

10 posted on 03/16/2008 3:13:24 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (There's three ways to skin a cat but not one is worth the effort.......)
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To: robertpaulsen
Hmm. The Second Amendment provides:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

To whom, in your view, does "the People" refer?

12 posted on 03/16/2008 3:17:28 PM PDT by PackerBoy (Just my opinion ....)
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To: robertpaulsen

Your replies on 2nd Amendemnt threads are exhausting.


14 posted on 03/16/2008 3:19:16 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (If you don't want people to get your goat, don't tell them where it's tied.)
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To: robertpaulsen

Paulsen, you’re hopeless. What do you think the militia was comprised of? If you were intellectually honest, you would know our founders were leery of standing armies and militias were formed as needed. Many states didn’t form militias because they had no need. Therefore it was incumbent upon all able-bodied Americans to be armed and trained via individual ownership of arms. This way the militia could be formed on an ad hoc basis, and then disbanded as the need had passed.


18 posted on 03/16/2008 3:24:51 PM PDT by Nachoman (My guns and my ammo, they comfort me.)
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To: robertpaulsen
No, they did not. They determined that a well regulated Miltia was necessary to the security of a free state. Not an armed populace.

Every other amendment to the Constitution concerns individual rights and when your argument is posited the courts have interrupted it in favor of the individual.

We shall see.

19 posted on 03/16/2008 3:26:35 PM PDT by Recon Dad (Marine Spec Ops Dad)
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To: robertpaulsen

And you sir are full of excrement.Got that?


20 posted on 03/16/2008 3:27:16 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: robertpaulsen

The fact remains, we the people, are indeed armed - legally.


24 posted on 03/16/2008 3:32:00 PM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (I do have all my socks matching)
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To: robertpaulsen
You are wrong, a well regulated militia that the government controls was not the reason for the 2nd amendment, it was for the government to fear the people the individual people so that our freedoms could not be taken from us. You only have to take the time to actually read the founding fathers writings on the subject to understand their reasonings.

Only somebody not truly ignorant of history would be willing to allow the government any control of our guns, from the type we can have to the amount to how you can be qualified to have one.

The first thing Hitler did on coming to power was require the German's to turn in their guns...the only country he did not try to take in Europe was the one where every man was required to own a gun. The Russians and Chineese people had such an easy time of throwing off their masters without guns, oh yeah that's right they loved being slaves to the state and did not need to break free.

36 posted on 03/16/2008 3:46:32 PM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: robertpaulsen
Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the Peoples' Liberty's Teeth. -George Washington
38 posted on 03/16/2008 3:47:43 PM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: robertpaulsen

“well regulated” does not means controlled it means working.
like be able to shoot a gun and hit your target.


48 posted on 03/16/2008 4:02:21 PM PDT by camas
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To: robertpaulsen

What if the entirety of the Second Amendment read “The right of the People to keep and bear Arms?”


51 posted on 03/16/2008 4:12:58 PM PDT by wastedyears (IRON MAIDEN TONIGHT)
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To: robertpaulsen

“No, they did not. They determined that a well regulated Miltia was necessary to the security of a free state. Not an armed populace.”

Good grief, are you still posting here? What part of the “...right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” don’t you understand?


61 posted on 03/16/2008 4:36:12 PM PDT by ought-six
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To: robertpaulsen

Many Southerners were of Scottish background. The Scots had been fighting English oppression for centuries. England eventually beat down the Scots, and after the Act of Union in 1707 the English victors pretty mnuch tried to erase Scottish history and culture. The Disarmament Act of 1756 stripped the Scots’ right to keep and bear arms. The American descendants of those Scottish patriots remembered that disarmament very well, and vowed never to be subjected to the same oppressive conditions. Indeed, the Disarmament Act was well known to the American colonists in general. Hence, the insistence upon Second Amendment. Our Founding Fathers knew very well what an oppressive government could do, and they also knew that the only security The People had against such tyranny was to be armed.


68 posted on 03/16/2008 4:52:25 PM PDT by ought-six
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To: robertpaulsen

And militias were made up of guys off the street/farm. Average guys had to have guns - and did - to have militias.


74 posted on 03/16/2008 5:04:40 PM PDT by tbw2 ("Sirat: Through the Fires of Hell" by Tamara Wilhite - on amazon.com)
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To: robertpaulsen
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms in his own land," Jefferson wrote. "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."

He's not espousing the formation of government militias in this quote.

93 posted on 03/16/2008 6:22:22 PM PDT by 2111USMC
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To: robertpaulsen

No, they did not. They determined that a well regulated Miltia was necessary to the security of a free state. Not an armed populace.

It’s right there in the second amendment.

But Paulsen, you are leaving out.. The right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

It’s right there in the second amendment......:)


94 posted on 03/16/2008 6:27:07 PM PDT by Confed
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To: robertpaulsen
you seem to ignore half the ammendment: "...the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Here are some more quotes that show the intent you miss:
"Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the people's liberty's teeth." --George Washington

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson

"When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -- Thomas Jefferson

"American have the right and advantage of being armed- unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." -- James Madison

110 posted on 03/16/2008 10:15:13 PM PDT by rmlew (Grievance politics is a mental illness)
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To: robertpaulsen

And typewriters are only for trained journalists.


127 posted on 03/17/2008 10:48:12 AM PDT by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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