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1 posted on 03/16/2008 6:29:32 AM PDT by vietvet67
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One must wonder now whether Obama is fooling himself, or us.

Yes, we must at all costs. Meanwhile, Hillary is skating to victory while conservatives are preoccupied trying to prove the obvious: Obama is a leftist.

2 posted on 03/16/2008 6:36:11 AM PDT by Rudder (Klinton-Kool-Aid FReepers prefer spectacle over victory.)
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One can always create a “smell test” by observing the behavior in the obverse (i.e., what if McCain had a religious advisor who...?)


3 posted on 03/16/2008 6:39:22 AM PDT by Eurale
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The Rhetoric that Obama uses requires a victim base, an oppressed minority for the WE the good and rightous must defeat them the divisive and intolerant.

The hypnosis works because he delivers it in Civil Rights era prowes. Those that drink the Obama-ade are so smitten that even logic and presentation of the facts about Obama’s church, pastor, mentors means nothing to them a simple explanation from the master will suffice. Of course WE cannot allow these little things .... Like shutting down Free Speech by accusing your opposition of Racism and bigotry.... to matter because we know thats not who he really is...

” Then they came for me and by that time there no one was left to speak up.”


6 posted on 03/16/2008 6:42:46 AM PDT by tomnbeverly (Standing by for the: if your not with us your a racist tactic.)
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The thing about Grandma's timeless advice is this: It's been out of fashion for a generation. Given the choice between sacrificing reputation and getting power, it's considered sophisticated among some to choose the latter.

Then too, in an era where gambling and prostitution are considered the sports of the "players" -- and everyone wants to be a player -- a reputation just isn't what it used to be.

8 posted on 03/16/2008 6:45:53 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (A moderate Muslim is one who acts like a Christian.)
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Barack Obama was not exposed to this as a young child, taken to hear Wright in the company of his parents.

No, as a child he was exposed to Islam with pretty much the same anti-white, anti-American, supremacy messages

10 posted on 03/16/2008 6:46:50 AM PDT by YellowRoseofTx
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The author is making a fundamental mistake in this assessment of Wright. If she had done a bit more research on Wright, Cone, and Obama she would have avoided this fundamental mistake. All she had to do was google ‘black liberation theology’ or ‘BLT’ will do as shorthand.

If you google ‘BLT’ as I did yesterday, you’ll find that Jeremiah is a much ‘respected; and often quoted leader in that field.

One of the basic premises of BLT is class distinction. By definition, a ‘black’ person is an oppressed person and a ‘white’ person is an oppressor. The converse is that all oppressed people are black and all oppressors are white. The difinition has nothing to do with skin color and only to do with whether one is a member of the ruling classes or not. BTW, this is the basis for Jeremiah’s claim that Jesus was ‘black’, since Jesus was not an oppressor, he was black.

You see this logic play out in Jeremiah’s videos. For example, Bill and Hillary, as members of the ruling class cannot be black and must be white oppressors.

Since our society is ‘oppressive’, then any one who is successful in that society must be white despite their actual skin color.

Of course, the exception is that any one who is part of the struggle to ‘free people from oppression’ is also black. Therefore, Obama is not white despite his being a senator.


11 posted on 03/16/2008 6:49:58 AM PDT by DugwayDuke (A true patriot will do anything to keep a Democrat out of the White House.)
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"He ain't rich."

"He ain't white."

"And he ain't privileged."

No he ain't either.

Wright's a liar.

He's rich.

He's half white and was raised by his white grandparents.

He's extremely privileged.

12 posted on 03/16/2008 6:50:48 AM PDT by cake_crumb (I will criticize Obama as much and as often as I want.)
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"He ain't rich."
"He ain't white."
"And he ain't privileged."

Well, .50 out of 3 ain't bad ... I guess.

14 posted on 03/16/2008 6:51:03 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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The more dirt they dig up on Obammy the more popular he will become with the Rats.


15 posted on 03/16/2008 6:55:24 AM PDT by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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http://www.webloggin.com/1995-barack-obama-mean-cruel-times-christian-right-narrow-minded/

A similar sentiment was echoed by Barack Obama in 1995 as he tried to rally the African-American vote for his Senate run after the Million Man March.

“This doesn’t suggest that the need to look inward emphasized by the march isn’t important, and that these African-American tribal affinities aren’t legitimate. These are mean, cruel times, exemplified by a ‘lock ‘em up, take no prisoners’ mentality that dominates the Republican-led Congress. Historically, African-Americans have turned inward and towards black nationalism whenever they have a sense, as we do now, that the mainstream has rebuffed us, and that white Americans couldn’t care less about the profound problems African-Americans are facing.“


16 posted on 03/16/2008 6:55:48 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Everytime McCain reaches out to conservatives, conservatives get poked in the eye.)
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"More black youth are in jails and prisons than in colleges and universities."

Gee, Mr. Wizard, could it be that more black youth are kickin' it with their gangster homeys and committing crimes than studying for tests and taking the SAT?

Today's black culture as a whole DOES NOT value getting educated and getting ahead in the traditional fashion. It's too "white". Sorry if you can't handle the truth.

17 posted on 03/16/2008 6:57:42 AM PDT by Lizavetta
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"And if Duke were the honored recipient of some grand award at the church of a white man running for President, I would run, not walk my vote away from that candidate. I could not trust my Country to a man who couldn't spot David Duke's stupid and hate-filled racism any more than I would trust the job to a six year old"

THAT is the crux of this mess. ESPECIALLY when you remember that Obama only refuted the words caught on tape, the specific ones that got him into trouble. Then he lied and tried to paint those words as occasional flukes from an embarrassing relative a few cards short of a deck.

And yet Obama's die hard supporters are still trying to relativize him out of it.

22 posted on 03/16/2008 7:18:05 AM PDT by cake_crumb (I will criticize Obama as much and as often as I want.)
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Allow me to promote my favorite writer on the subject.
23 posted on 03/16/2008 7:23:39 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (A moderate Muslim is one who acts like a Christian.)
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Only anecdotal but I think the following is playing out all over blue collar Democrat America:

One of my Democrat friends (female) who was leaning towards Obama is FURIOUS over his pastor’s speeches (she comes from good Irish Cathoic stock). Obama is no longer her cadidate. And she never did like Hillary. She told me yesterday that she’ll probably stay home on election day. I am sure she is not alone.

After last week’s revelations, Obama is toast. It’s only a matter of time. Notice how quiet the Hillary camp is on this subject? No need to add fuel to this fire.


24 posted on 03/16/2008 7:33:38 AM PDT by SueRae
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Lay down with dogs..wake up with fleas.

Lay down with racists..wake up with a sheet on your head.


30 posted on 03/16/2008 7:44:14 AM PDT by DGHoodini (A person educated without being taught morals, is a menace to society.)
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Just What Did Obama Know About Wright's Past Sermons? (Plenty)

“Barack Obama either agreed with what was preached from the Trinity pulpit, or he tuned it out and stayed around pretending to for political reasons. To say he stayed for 20 years but doesn't agree with Wright's preaching is incredible denial. It'd be like a man buying White Sox season tickets for 20 years, attending the games, and saying he's not a fan.”

Obama’s supporters want us to ignore this story… just push it under the rug. While they’ll align Republicans with any obscure pastor who does or says something controversial, they’re trying to convince us that Obama’s 20-year long close relationship with Wright, including his effective endorsement of him, his church and rhetoric with a $22,500 donation in 2006 is irrelevant.

“When Obama decided against wearing an American flag pin, we may all have been a bit too quick to accept his rationale, too quick to find that issue unimportant. Now, that American flag pin has gotten a lot bigger for a lot of us, especially in light of what may have been and may still be Obama’s deeper, and, perhaps, secret, less than patriotic beliefs about America.”

“Wright says that blacks can’t be expected to sing God Bless America because of racism. Obama doesn’t salute the flag during the National Anthem. That sure strikes me as an amazing coincidence since Obama swears he never heard Wright say anything against America.”


39 posted on 03/16/2008 10:28:36 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Hussein ObamaSamma's Pastor, Jeremiah Wright: "God Damn America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11")
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Good article.


43 posted on 03/16/2008 10:49:53 AM PDT by Girlene
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Wright's racism is guileful, I'll give him that. He cloaks his gospel in the mantle of eternal black suffering.

Wright's short-cut "answer" to suffering merely leads to a larger hell-on-earth, filled with embittered people.

He should watch this series, which was broadcast on EWTN [Caution Rated: NFST]

Suffering and the God of Love

In an all-new 15-part series, EWTN favorite Fr. Robert Spitzer, S.J., ponders ultimate questions of human existence. Suffering without faith can only lead to depression and despair, but suffering with love for God leads directly into meaning and transforming faith.

NFST = Not For Superficial Thinkers

44 posted on 03/16/2008 10:51:13 AM PDT by syriacus (Thanks webmaster!! I love to search via YAHOO on FR to find old FR threads! Far better than Google.)
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