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Gun Battle at the White House?
Washington Post ^ | 3/13/08 | Robert D. Novak

Posted on 03/13/2008 9:33:41 AM PDT by kiriath_jearim

In preparation for oral arguments Tuesday on the extent of gun rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment, the U.S. Supreme Court has before it a brief signed by Vice President Cheney opposing the Bush administration's stance. Even more remarkably, Cheney is faithfully reflecting the views of President Bush.

The government position filed with the Supreme Court by U.S. Solicitor General Paul Clement stunned gun advocates by opposing the breadth of an appellate court's affirmation of individual ownership rights. The Justice Department, not the vice president, is out of order. But if Bush agrees with Cheney, why did the president not simply order Clement to revise his brief? The answers: disorganization and weakness in the eighth year of his presidency.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: banglist; bushhatred; crime; heller; parker; pitchforkpat; scotus
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1 posted on 03/13/2008 9:33:42 AM PDT by kiriath_jearim
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To: kiriath_jearim

C’mon, when you are a uniter not a divider, you let your justice department do the career civil service thing. Everyone knows that!


2 posted on 03/13/2008 9:35:19 AM PDT by farmer18th (Iraqi Nation Building GWB-Style: "No law that contradicts.. Islam may be established")
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To: kiriath_jearim

Interesting headline. For a moment I thought Cheney was after the White House doves again...


3 posted on 03/13/2008 9:37:07 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: kiriath_jearim

Talk about schizophrenic.

I wonder who really is piloting the ship down there.


4 posted on 03/13/2008 9:40:00 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Weakness of leadership is not something that took President Pollyanna 8 years to perfect.


5 posted on 03/13/2008 9:42:42 AM PDT by SENTINEL (SGT USMC COMBAT VET)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Perhaps the single most glaring weakness of this administration has been its inability to control the bureaucracy. Bush has an MBA yet shows little to no talent for managing the departments over which he allegedly presides. When his underlings aren’t contradicting his professed principles by their bumbling they are deliberately working to undermine him. And it seems that nothing at all is done to rectify the mess. Firings are rare to non-existent.

Maybe I just don’t understand how the bureaucracy works but it seemed like Clinton managed to bring his appointees and their minions into line.


6 posted on 03/13/2008 9:46:06 AM PDT by scory
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To: scory
Clinton managed to bring his appointees and their minions into line.

I won't disagree that Bush could have done a much better job of controlling the bureaucracy, but Clinton didn't have to bring his appointees and the bureaucracy into line. They were already there.

7 posted on 03/13/2008 9:50:30 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (DemocraticUnderground.com is an internet hate site.)
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To: kiriath_jearim
The government position filed with the Supreme Court by U.S. Solicitor General Paul Clement stunned gun advocates by opposing the breadth of an appellate court's affirmation of individual ownership rights. The Justice Department, not the vice president, is out of order. But if Bush agrees with Cheney, why did the president not simply order Clement to revise his brief? The answers: disorganization and weakness in the eighth year of his presidency.

Good God...What a bunch of double talk.

8 posted on 03/13/2008 9:52:09 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: neverdem; SunkenCiv; Joe Brower

” a Republican administration finds itself aligned against the most popular tenet of social conservatism: gun rights, which enjoy much wider agreement than do opposition to abortion or gay marriage.

Promises in two presidential campaigns are being abandoned...”


9 posted on 03/13/2008 10:23:02 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: kiriath_jearim
It should have been a clue when Bush claimed to want Supreme Court justices that hold an "original intent" interpretation of the Constitution, then sent his Justice Department attorneys to argue to uphold Wickard v Filburn in the Raisch case.
10 posted on 03/13/2008 10:31:12 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

My money’s on Dick Cheney! :D


11 posted on 03/13/2008 10:31:52 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Are you sick of hearing at-the-end-of-the-day?)
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To: george76

Thanks for the ping. Say your prayers for 2008. McCain gets supported only by social conservatines willing to hold their noses. That’s ditto for libertarians, IMHO. I’m still scratching my head about how the GOP got stuck with this RINO, and the dems are having a fight between Trotsky and Stalin.


12 posted on 03/13/2008 10:51:06 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: kiriath_jearim
Thank you vice-presiden Cheney, someone in this adminstration cares about the Constitution.
13 posted on 03/13/2008 11:08:34 AM PDT by veracious
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To: neverdem

I’m still scratching my head about how the GOP got stuck with this RINO, and the dems are having a fight between Trotsky and Stalin.


‘Nuf said !


14 posted on 03/13/2008 11:13:29 AM PDT by Eleutherios
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To: kiriath_jearim

“In preparation for oral arguments Tuesday on the extent of gun rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment, the U.S. Supreme Court has before it a brief signed by Vice President Cheney opposing the Bush administration’s stance. Even more remarkably, Cheney is faithfully reflecting the views of President Bush.”

OK... I’m confused. What is the Bush Admin stance, and how could Cheney “oppose” the Bush Admin stance and yet “faithfully reflect the views of president Bush”?

That makes no sense to me.


15 posted on 03/13/2008 11:23:57 AM PDT by navyguy (Some days you are the pigeon, some days you are the statue.)
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To: navyguy
"OK... I’m confused. What is the Bush Admin stance, and how could Cheney “oppose” the Bush Admin stance and yet “faithfully reflect the views of president Bush”?"

To cut to the chase, the Bush Administration (specifically his Solicitor General) submitted a brief that is luke warm to the Second Amendment..."luke warm," probably being a generous description. This was done in spite of Bush's ostensibly pro-2nd Amendment views, which apparently only Cheney really cared enough about to speak up for.

Got it?

16 posted on 03/13/2008 11:31:34 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Guns are dangerous! Some out of control
Border Patrol agents used them to wound
an innocent Mexican drug smuggler!

17 posted on 03/13/2008 11:34:22 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Joe 6-pack

Thanks Joe! That clears it up!


18 posted on 03/13/2008 11:50:36 AM PDT by navyguy (Some days you are the pigeon, some days you are the statue.)
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To: navyguy
No problem. For some further insight, here's some discussion regarding the brief submitted by the DOJ:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1954003/posts

19 posted on 03/13/2008 11:55:13 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Eleutherios

The same way we just got stuck with another one (McCain). Bush was the lesser of two evils...Gore or Kerry would have been a much worse nightmare to live through...IMO


20 posted on 03/13/2008 12:18:58 PM PDT by AprilfromTexas
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