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1 posted on 03/10/2008 10:21:51 AM PDT by Froufrou
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The things in the title have always been sins. When you prepare for confession, you will find that sins are grouped under general categories according to which Commandment they violate. Within this, there are the specific sins that people might confess. In addition, there are (or were, at least) guidebooks for confessors called “penitenciaries” that enumerated the sins and specified the penances.

Abortion has always been a sin, contraception has always been a sin, getting a vasectomy has always been a sin, pedophilia and all the other “philias” have always been sins. The only thing different in this article is that some ding-dong lefty cardinal has come out with the stupid and meaningless “environmental and social sins” that were popular under JPII. These things are not sins, because they are not something you do personally; you can’t confess them, and they only exist to confuse people with lefty gobledy gook, diminish the sense of sin, and devalue the sacrament of Confession, which is what the liberals wanted to do all along.


62 posted on 03/10/2008 10:47:59 AM PDT by livius
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76 posted on 03/10/2008 10:55:13 AM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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The Christian World needs a rebirth - a Renaissance - or the west will collapse into the chaos and evil of Islam.

As part of this Christians need to become more militant against those powers which would use force against us, i.e. Islam.

Turning the other cheek refers to personal issues, not the clash of societies.

77 posted on 03/10/2008 10:55:44 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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You offend God not only by stealing, blaspheming or coveting your neighbor’s wife, but also by ruining the environment, carrying out morally debatable scientific experiments

. . . such as experiments designed to allege that American capitalists are ruining the environment. Aside from bearing false witness, that's a twofer or threefer already, since envy, hypocrisy, and the worship of false gods are the foundation-stones of environmentalism.

88 posted on 03/10/2008 11:05:24 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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The Vatican always muddies the waters about sin and salvation.

For ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Rom. 3:23
Everyone is condemned, because all have sinned!

For the wages of sin is death the the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Chist our Lord. Rom 6:23
ANY sin bring eternal death but God made the total and only provision for salvation through the finished work of Christ death and resurrection.

But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name John 1:12

For by grace are you saved through faith and that not of your selves. It is the gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast. Eph. 2:7&8.
You are not saved by good works, moral living, going to church, etc.
But these are things believers do after salvation.

that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. For “whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.” Rom 10:9-13

not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, Titus 3:5

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; I Tim 2:5

Philippian Jailer's Salvation Acts 16

About midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns to God, and the other prisoners were listening to them. Suddenly there was such a violent earthquake that the foundations of the prison were shaken. At once all the prison doors flew open, and everybody's chains came loose. The jailer woke up, and when he saw the prison doors open, he drew his sword and was about to kill himself because he thought the prisoners had escaped. But Paul shouted, "Don't harm yourself! We are all here!"

The jailer called for lights, rushed in and fell trembling before Paul and Silas. He then brought them out and asked, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?"

They replied, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household." Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all the others in his house. At that hour of the night the jailer took them and washed their wounds; then immediately he and all his family were baptized. The jailer brought them into his house and set a meal before them; he was filled with joy because he had come to believe in God—he and his whole family.

104 posted on 03/10/2008 11:19:51 AM PDT by Rodm (Seest thou a man diligent in his business? He shall stand before kings)
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“Bishop Girotti said that mortal sins also included taking or dealing in drugs, and social injustice which caused poverty or “the excessive accumulation of wealth by a few.”

I’d be worried if I were the Pope, considering the wealth that has been accumulated by the Vatican.


108 posted on 03/10/2008 11:22:07 AM PDT by CSM (Kakistocracy: Government by the least qualified or most unprincipled citizens.)
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I thought that the list was: (from a different article) Mgr Girotti named the new mortal sins to be (1)genetic modification; (2) human experimentations, (3) polluting the environment; (4) social injustice; (5) causing poverty; (6) financial gluttony; and (7) taking drugs.

Where is abortion and contraception?

109 posted on 03/10/2008 11:22:10 AM PDT by NathanR ( Duncan Hunter for SecDef)
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I am very thankful that Jesus died and paid the price for ALL our sins, whether they’re on the list or not!


118 posted on 03/10/2008 11:25:58 AM PDT by trillabodilla (Jesus Saves)
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also by ruining the environment

Now it's a mortal sin to buy an SUV.

121 posted on 03/10/2008 11:28:03 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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I’ve got a suggestion for an eigth sin: How about being Catholic and voting Democrat?


132 posted on 03/10/2008 11:35:01 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (God Bless George W. Bush)
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And of course, their doctrine also states (unchanged since Trent), that only their priests can absolve sins. Not in communion with the Vatican? No hope. The’ve got it locked down.


135 posted on 03/10/2008 11:36:34 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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here’s a theoretical, but truly accurate scenario

two young boys grow up together, juan and jose

before their teens they grow up working with their fathers in the farm fields owned by others

both boys vowed a better life for their children when they grow up

both boys and their families were regular and faithful members of the local parish church

neither boy went beyond grade school, educated not much more than to read and write

both boys married by the time they were 21

both boys had two children by the time they were 23

they worked together and shared what they earned, over many years, to buy two very small farms

when juan’s wife got pregnant with their third child, juan went to his priest

he wanted forgiveness for both him and his wife practicing any number of birth control methods, as feeding and schooling his first two kids, now made more difficult by the third one would become much harder if they had any more kids

the priest told juan that condoms, the pill, a diaphragm, the morning after pill or similar means as those were immoral - that only the rythym method - followed carefully up to then by juan and his wife - unsuccessfully - could be used

upon return home juan told his wife what the priest said, but told her as well that he bought condoms, would always use them from then on and the two of them should also look at other medical means, besides abortion, to quit having children

when juan told jose, jose disagreed and said he would rather have ten kids than ‘sin’ with birth control

when juan’s oldest boy finished middle school, they made sure their youngest, a girl, went to grade school so that juan’s mom could take in a little work, to help pay for their eldest sons high school

meanwhile, jose’s wife was pregnant with their 4th child

when juan’s oldest boy finished high school, juan’s mom had converted her little bit of work into a small business and her and juan sent their first born to college

meanwhile, jose’s wife was pregnant with their 5th child and later their sixth child

starting from the same position, over the years, jose’s three additional children were a taxing dilema for jose

when juan was buying a new hog, jose was selling his only hog to keep food on the table for everyone

when juan’s middle son was working after school to help keep the older son in college, jose’s middle son had quit school to work full time to help pay the family debts

meanwhile, after a few years of confessional admissions, without shame, that he and his wife would not follow the church’s teachings on birth control, followed by sunday sermons on just that topic, juan had left the church

now jose and his family were in dire straits, about to lose their tiny farm and their children’s health problem’s mounting under nutritional stress

feeling the need of her faith and prayers as her oldest was nearing graduation, juan’s wife returned on her own to church one sunday

after the regular service ended, the priest made an announcement that the parish was making a special appeal for a special offering for jose and his family

at the end of the announcement, and looking directly at juan’s wife, the priest lectured how jose’s plight was a manifestation of the greedy economic system around them and worsened by those who took the fruits of their own success and left the church

when juan’s wife got home and told her story, juan said: ‘those bastards’

that night, he and his wife visited jose and offered their help

later that night, back home, they vowed together they would never go to or give anything to the church again

now, who will god look most in disfavor on

juan, who used birth control

jose, who took food out of the mouth’s of his existing children by having children he could ill afford

or the priest that told jose he was a better man than juan and then blamed juan for the misfortunes of jose - misfortunes that resulted in part from following, on pain of damnation, the priest’s advice

in all of latin america, the catholic church’s new proclamation that ‘causing poverty’ is a sin is a classic and hypocritical example of the pot calling the kettle black

as it continues to pronounce that the ‘poor’ of socialist
dominated latin america are poor because of the mean ole capitalists

yea, right /sarc


220 posted on 03/10/2008 3:48:21 PM PDT by Wuli
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Good afternoon.

How about voting DemocRAT?

Michael Frazier

229 posted on 03/10/2008 4:42:53 PM PDT by brazzaville (No surrender, no retreat. Well, maybe retreat's ok)
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What are Capital Sins? [Seven Deadly Sins]
252 posted on 03/10/2008 9:55:42 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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Good, but how come “nominating pro-contraception (or worse) cardinals” is not added ?


334 posted on 03/11/2008 3:08:45 PM PDT by Thomas for life
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Truth threads
 

The Virtue-Driven Life

The Virtues (counteracting the REAL Seven Deadly Sins)

Vatican Adds 7 Deadly Sins Including Abortion, Contraception & Drug Dealing

Media Falsely Portrays (Catholic) Bishop’s Opinion in Interview as ‘New’ Sins

The New Forms of Social Sin (Finally, An English Translation of the Bishop Girotti Interview)

What are Capital Sins? [Seven Deadly Sins]

[Catholic Caucus] The Forum: Not "new sins" but an old media blind spot

Not "new sins" but an old media blind spot (Vatican _DOES_NOT_ Announce Seven New Deadly Sins)

Vatican Lists "New Sins," Including Pollution (Catholic Caucus)

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Falsehood and leftist spin threads
 

Recycle or go to Hell, warns Vatican

UH OH ... NEW SINS FROM THE VATICAN

345 posted on 03/11/2008 8:32:02 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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I guess the Church is trying to upstage the Sec-Pros whom have recently declared their new seven: 1) Scratching one’s balls in the presence of a lesbian; 2) Masterbating more than five times daily; 3) Farting in a habitable structure, or within 100 feet of a public doorway; 4) Watching NASCAR (sin is mortal if one enjoys it); 5) Showing respect for anyone in uniform (exclusive of Code Pink); 6) Pointing out that Helen Thomas is unattractive; and 7) Taking pleasure in heterosexual thoughts (Those involving minors under 12 are not inluded.)


353 posted on 03/12/2008 4:00:19 PM PDT by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice.)
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