Posted on 03/10/2008 10:21:49 AM PDT by Froufrou
The list came as the Pope deplored the “decreasing sense of sin” in today’s “secularized world” and the falling numbers of Roman Catholics going to confession.
The Catholic Church divides sins into venial, or less serious, sins and mortal sins, which threaten the soul with eternal damnation unless absolved before death through confession and penitence.
It holds mortal sins to be “grave violations of the Ten Commandments and the Beatitudes,” including murder, contraception, abortion, perjury, adultery and lust.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church states that “immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into Hell.”
Although there is no definitive list of mortal sins, many believers accept the broad seven deadly sins or capital vices laid down in the 6th century by Pope Gregory the Great and popularized in the Middle Ages by Dante in "The Inferno": lust, gluttony, avarice, sloth, anger, envy and pride.
Christians are exhorted instead to adhere to the seven holy virtues: chastity, abstinence, temperance, diligence, patience, kindness and humility.
Bishop Gianfranco Girotti, head of the Apostolic Penitentiary, the Vatican body which oversees confessions and plenary indulgences, said after a week-long Lenten seminar for priests that surveys showed 60 percent of Catholics in Italy no longer went to confession.
He said that priests must take account of “new sins which have appeared on the horizon of humanity as a corollary of the unstoppable process of globalization.” Whereas sin in the past was thought of as being an individual matter, it now has “social resonance.”
“You offend God not only by stealing, blaspheming or coveting your neighbor’s wife, but also by ruining the environment, carrying out morally debatable scientific experiments, or allowing genetic manipulations which alter DNA or compromise embryos,” he said.
(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...
But he was angered by the pharisies, who were lawyers of Talmudic law.
Jesus came to free us from Sin and the Pharisies. The Roman Church began to enslave us with regulations and tithes and indulgences, the Nader of which was the Inquisition.
Blessedly Martin Luther freed us again despite the real possibility of being burned at the stake.
The Roman church has just found some mis-filed paperwork pardoning DeMolay, and other Templar Knights who WERE burned at the stake!
Mis-filing paperwork, wonder what kind of sin that is?
‘In the case of Catholics, every member of the faithful has the obligation to see what Christ is teaching....’
That I think, is the most often overlooked point. The Old Testament looks very different when looked at through the heart of Jesus’ ministry.
I see it as the Old Testament is man’s infancy when he needed strict guidance. The New Testament gives us freedom from Pharasies, and a litmus test we can apply as adults; ....Love your neighbor.
The 10 Commandments are valid, but we must apply them with Love in our hearts.
Yes we will Sin, but our Sin is forgiven in Christ.
And of course, the point is valid for ALL Christians, not just Catholics.
MDo>‘In the case of Catholics, every member of the faithful has the obligation to see what Christ is teaching....’
That I think, is the most often overlooked point. The Old Testament looks very different when looked at through the heart of Jesus’ ministry.
I see it as the Old Testament is man’s infancy when he needed strict guidance. The New Testament gives us freedom from Pharisees, and a litmus test we can apply as adults; ....Love your neighbor.
The 10 Commandments are valid, but we must apply them with Love in our hearts.
Yes we will Sin, but our Sin is forgiven in Christ.
And of course, the point is valid for ALL Christians, not just Catholics.
342 posted on 03/11/2008 7:43:16 PM MDT by AmericanDave
YhvH is the same Elohim both in the "Old' and the "New" Covenant of Jeremiah 31.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
31 "Behold, days are coming," declares YHvH, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah,
The "Old" contained the commandment to love your neighbors.
32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them," declares YHvH.
33 "But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days," declares YHvH, "I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their Elohim, and they shall be My people.
NAsbU Leviticus 19:18 'You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against
All of the Ten Commandments are valid including :
the sons of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself; I am YHvH. NAsbU Deuteronomy 5:12 'Observe the sabbath day to keep it holy,
The Holy Word of Elohim speaks to all who call themselves of the Christ : Yah'shua
as YHvH your Elohim commanded you.
At least Fox got the story right!
The Virtues (counteracting the REAL Seven Deadly Sins)
Vatican Adds 7 Deadly Sins Including Abortion, Contraception & Drug Dealing
Media Falsely Portrays (Catholic) Bishop’s Opinion in Interview as ‘New’ Sins
The New Forms of Social Sin (Finally, An English Translation of the Bishop Girotti Interview)
What are Capital Sins? [Seven Deadly Sins]
[Catholic Caucus] The Forum: Not "new sins" but an old media blind spot
Not "new sins" but an old media blind spot (Vatican _DOES_NOT_ Announce Seven New Deadly Sins)
Vatican Lists "New Sins," Including Pollution (Catholic Caucus)
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I ain't no moral theologian, but that's certainly the way I read it!
And that's a general principle in morals/law. A chance spark can burn your house down...no one goes to jail. But if an arsonist causes that spark...he's in big trouble.
LOL...I'm using "loving" in a bit broader context than just lovin', know what I mean?
And I dunno about all that anyway....you couldn't get to 15 kids if there weren't no time for lovin'. How was there time when it was just 14?? :)
I’m sorry, a little confused here: did you say Tobit was in your Bible?
Highball,
It can’t stop God from creating life, but you’ll be checking yourself out of the equation. Contraception kills fetus’. Often, contraception is an abortifacio drug which kills 3-5 week olds while still in the womb.
And yes, of course contraception intercepts God’s love for humanity by killing the life producing quality in semen.
Repent, that’s all God wants to hear.
Yours Truly,
The Woim
From your reasoning, well, I guess you’re an atheist. Well, live life how you want.
Of course, you seem to only think of the burden of children and never the joy - the joy is much stronger but you’ll never know.
I guess you’re to be pitied.
Yours truly,
The Woim
Timm22,
Please re-ask those questions and direct them toward The Woim and I will enlighten you - it will be my pleasure.
Yours truly,
The Woim
I guess the Church is trying to upstage the Sec-Pros whom have recently declared their new seven: 1) Scratching one’s balls in the presence of a lesbian; 2) Masterbating more than five times daily; 3) Farting in a habitable structure, or within 100 feet of a public doorway; 4) Watching NASCAR (sin is mortal if one enjoys it); 5) Showing respect for anyone in uniform (exclusive of Code Pink); 6) Pointing out that Helen Thomas is unattractive; and 7) Taking pleasure in heterosexual thoughts (Those involving minors under 12 are not inluded.)
Don’t assume. I’m not an atheist at all but my church does not poke its nose into our bedroom, nor do they tell me to have more children than I can feed.
I know the joys. I have raised 2 sons and a stepdaughter, two to adulthood and one is almost there. If we could have afforded it, I would have had 6 at least. I am fully aware of all the joy of bearing and raising children and I have never once considered them a burden. You’re preaching to the choir here. Pity away if you want but I don’t need it. My my life is full and rich and happy.
Ok, thank you The Woim.
Let me start with an apparent inconsistency I detected in your post #182. You implied that it would be morally acceptable for a man to have oral relations with his wife, or to have sex with her after menopause. But in another post, you stated that the use of contraceptives reduces the wife from a "potential mother" to a "depository".
If that's a reason to condemn the use of contraceptives, then shouldn't one also condemn oral relations between a man and wife, or relations between a man and his post-menopausal wife? These activities leave no potential for motherhood, and could just as easily be described as making the woman a "depository". So why are they ok?
But it is someone's Bible. But it is false and contains superstitions.No it is not.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shiua
I'm just curious (not arguing); but, in your opinion, does this to apply to all forms of body altering or only to prevent conception?
I thought that if you had a lot of kids, you had no sex life. ;-)
Don't forget circumcision...
Just for the sake of argument, I'm going to take a slightly different twist on the story.
Tamar agreed to have sex with her brother-in-law to give her dead husband an heir. The BIL gave her the impression that that was what they were doing. At the last moment, he reneged.
What if the spilling of the seed wasn't the the sin? What if it was the betrayal and humiliation of the woman?
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