Posted on 03/08/2008 7:56:08 PM PST by The_Republican
No way am I telling anyone who can't lift a finger, for folks happy where they are today, about where I'm going. They can figure it out for themselves -- or stay in the hellhole they helped create by doing nothing.
It's not really very hard to figure out the parameters for choosing one's destination. None of them are ideal, and most all involve learning another language (this monoglot can do that).
Y'all don't like it... just stay put. Please.
It’s pretty simple.
Conservatives whether they may be actal Republicans or not do not trust the GOP, do not respect the GOP, and do not think the Leadership represents us anymore. There is no longer motivation to turn out, to work on their behalf.
Unfortunately some people that would be good elected conservative representatives get lost in the bloodbath. Not saying that’s what happened here, but I am saying the reason a Republican loses in a Republican friendly district is because republican voters no longer give a damn.
And as long as Bush is in the W.H. and McCain is the nominee that isn’t going to change.
I warned people this would happen if a conservative didn’t end up on the ticket. It’s not that I was confident that, say, Thompson would win in Nov. But he would have held people together enough to sustain Republican numbers with marginal losses. A liberal does the opposite. But Republicans didn’t just choose a liberal. Oh, no, they chose mccain who has stabbed us in the back over and over again. they did so with crossover help from the other side, but enough republicans moronically believed Mccain would be a good idea. Now we lose not only the W.H., but are looking at a bloodbath everywhere else.
While I tend to be slightly more fiscally conservative than socially conservative, I have to admit that it was more social rather than fiscal conservatism that put the Republicans into power. In Ohio, the people tend to side with Republicans on social issues and Democrats on economic issues,despite how awful the Rats are on the economy.
Thanks for your sober and sensible comments. The campaign has given us lemons, so let's make lemonade--and I don't say that in any sing-songy, naive way. We may lose and lose big. But the tragic tone that takes over threads on FR these days is getting on my nerves. Whining defeatism is un-American. If it's our fate to lose this time, at least we can lose like men and not like a bunch of whiny girls.
Sometimes politics is about preventing the worst. The differences between McCain and his entourage and Hillary/Obama are big enough and scary enough to prefer McCain.
Bush 1 lost largely because the socials stayed home. The data proved it in many electoral districts, and it's not just them, but they are the hardest to get motivated because they need a catalyst, and are not necessarily just loyal voters like the folks we call fondly, "broken glass republicans".
We have a fatal problem this cycle, because we alienated Hispanics, demeaned the fiscals, and lost the younger crowd because of pandering to the socials.
Now we insult the conservatives by putting up McCain.
This election is so screwed.
The only way McCain wins, is for the Dems to flee their commitment to Hilary or Obama and vote for McCain in November. We don't have the votes yet to elect him, and I don't think we ever will against their apparent record turnouts.. The Republican electorate power has been destroyed.
The basic idea is one that most conservatives agree with, as well as the idea of free trade in a global market. It is where to draw the lines that is the problem. There are some things that should remain sacrosanct, that are preeminently for and in our own interests.
We might argue the rules and boundaries, but it is apparent, at least to me, that matters of sovereignty and security must be paramount, as there is no USA, no Constitution, and no Bill of Rights without that sovereignty in place.
More than any other thing, the illegal immigration flap has proven to me how far the powers that be will go to get their way. There is no, and I do mean no reasonable explanation for leaving the borders wide open and pardoning millions of soon to be Democrat voters, other than a bare attempt to subvert our sovereignty, and to manipulate our ability to govern ourselves.
Attempts to subject our navy to the whims of the UN via the LOST treaty, and putting our troops under the authority of international courts... These too show an orchestrated and insidious desire to subvert our sovereignty, and to limit our independence, authority, and global reach as a nation.
I would expect such treason (and yes I do mean treason, for that is what it is), from the Democrats, but all these things and more (think Eminent Domain, ports for sale, advocating against the RKBA in Washington DC, etc.) have been promoted, propagated, or allowed, by Republicans. REPUBLICANS! It is intentional and pervasive, and it_is_wrong. I ask you, who is able to exert such influence upon the party of patriots? Who can be propping these Republican jackals up?
You are correct, none of us know Reagan's mind, and what he may or may not endorse. But I feel quite confident he would be strongly against such matters, and would never consider any affront to our national sovereignty. And had he been a king rather than a president, the border would have been sealed a long time ago.
I leave you with the quote you provided:
Ronald Reagan proposes a “North American Agreement” which will produce “a North American continent in which the goods and people of the three countries will cross boundaries more freely.”
'Cross boundaries more freely' implies that boundaries exist, and 'more freely' is less than 'freely'.
BTW there is no need to put ‘free trade’ in scare quotes, its a real concept.
I put 'free trade' in quotes to differentiate it from what free trade ought to be- that which folks assume it to mean.
Oh stop. The primary is hopelessly tipped in favor of RINO candidates. Conservatives are always under funded and under advertised (because the MSM ignores), having to begin in two blue states, and never really getting support until the South, which by then, is impossible to win, as the Conservative has already been relegated to the 'lower tier', and is already eliminated from real participation in the MSM run debates.
Self identified Conservatives in polls are usually 30-33% of the electorate.
True, but only because there is no Conservative in the race. Many, many do not participate in such conditions. Speculations regarding the Conservative reserve would put them as high as 62% of the total electorate. That is why they can move mountains when they want to.
Demcorats are the ones in power who threaten to take it all in November. For most conservatives, it seems more prudent to try to block a left-wing Obama administration.
I disagree that 'most' conservatives feel that way. I think that most believe quite the opposite, which is why the RNC is broke, McCain is broke, and decades old members are leaving the party in droves. I think the Pubs are heading for a crater of monumental proportions in November, and I think everyone knows it. I also think it to be well deserved.
Third partys are anti-successful - they help the other side enormously, by making it easier for an extremist leftist to win.
Not if the loss is assured anyway- I believe the only path to a real victory is by way of an independent or 3rd party Conservative. If one rises up he would surely get Conservative support (en toto), particularly and especially because there is so much anger against the Republicans, Bush, and McCain.
Well I for one will not let the RINOS steal "my" party. It's worth fighting for and I have only just begun.
Maybe a Dole year on Viagra with the conservatives getting stuck.
First it was just New York, then it spread to Mass, than to Maryland and New Jersey, then to Vermont and California, now its spreading into Illinois and Florida.
The liberals are beating us because they control the human mind in America - they run the mainstream media and they control the schools and colleges, poisoning young minds with their liberal trash.
They have subverted the Republican Party - McCain’s victory is an example, as were the two Bushes before him.
I don’t know what the answer is.
I’m beginning to believe the neo-cons are just liberals with a conservaitve foreign policy agenda in the Middle East alone - a la Libermann.
The party means nothing if it is not the proper vehicle for Conservatism. I refuse to support it otherwise.
Their policy in the Middle East is liberal too.
They are no more conservative than the man in the moon. Their social conservative agenda is a sham. Their economic policies have sacrificed the American economy by weakening our dollar, losing jobs overseas, destroying our industrial and economic base, losing many American jobs to third world invaders, and in the process, destroying the American middle class.
The Democrats aren't any better and in many respects much worse.
BOTH political parties have taken turns devastating us to benefit their narrow personal interests.
I'm reduced to not voting for a candidate I like, but against one I dislike more than the other (i.e. voting for McCain to vote against Hillary or Obama).
The Republican Party under the direction of Martinez, Bush, Rove and McCain just blew it one time too many.
After this election I am going to find a third political party and start working for it. A populist conservative party if possible. I strongly urge every conservative Republican to do likewise. Hold your nose, vote for the McCainiac, and then find a real conservative party to support after 2008 and do everything possible to unseat the farce called the Republican Party. Let the McCains, Hagels, Snows, Chaffees, Grahams etc. go where they really belong - to the Rats and help create a viable alternative to the a political party which has used us a piece of toilette paper once too often.
This is the reward we get for electing RINO’s in the first place.
People need to wake the F up. We’re already way too far left to allow RINO’s in office. Each one elect moves us further and further to the left. It might be different if we were on the right of the spectrum, but we’re not.
BOY, ain’t that the truth!!
And it’s only 7:00pm.
Conservatives like “Linsay” Gramm?
” (another speceial election) with promise in Indianapolis whom “
do you know when this election will be?
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