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Plastic Bags Evil? Think Again, Some Scientists Say [bad science leading to bad decisions...]
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Posted on 03/08/2008 1:48:05 PM PST by Sub-Driver

Plastic Bags Evil? Think Again, Some Scientists Say

Saturday , March 08, 2008

Scientists and environmentalists have attacked a global campaign to ban plastic bags that they say is based on flawed science and exaggerated claims.

The widely stated accusation that the bags kill 100,000 animals and a million seabirds every year are false, experts have told The Times of London. They pose only a minimal threat to most marine species, including seals, whales, dolphins and seabirds.

British Prime Minister Gordon Brown announced last month that he would force supermarkets to charge for the bags, saying that they were “one of the most visible symbols of environmental waste.”

Retailers and some pressure groups, including the Campaign to Protect Rural England, threw their support behind him, and similar movements have spread across the United States.

But scientists, politicians and marine experts attacked the British government for joining a “bandwagon” based on poor science.

“The Government is irresponsible to jump on a bandwagon that has no base in scientific evidence," said Lord Taverne, the chairman of Sense about Science. "This is one of many examples where you get bad science leading to bad decisions which are counter-productive. Attacking plastic bags makes people feel good but it doesn’t achieve anything.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: debunk; junkscience; plasticbags
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"Attacking plastic bags makes people feel good but it doesn’t achieve anything.”.....well that sums it up
1 posted on 03/08/2008 1:48:06 PM PST by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

for the love of pete. the enviropolice just made us switch to plastice 20 years ago. Now we have to switch back?


2 posted on 03/08/2008 1:49:26 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (dehumanize: the model prescribes the required behavior. disincentives ensure compliance.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Don’t ask for a plastic bag at Whole Foods - they cut down trees to hold your groceries.


3 posted on 03/08/2008 1:52:15 PM PST by HardStarboard (Take No Prisoners - We're Out Of Qurans)
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To: Sub-Driver

Even if they charge 5 or 10 cents per bag it will barely change the price of a bag of groceries - so I wouldn’t care.

But if they charge much more than their cost, I’d change grocery stores on principle.


4 posted on 03/08/2008 1:56:03 PM PST by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Yes, but it’s possible that they could, under the right circumstances, possibly hurt some animal somewhere, especially those that can’t read the warnings not to put the bag over your head. So obviously we must ban them to mitigate the potential harm.


5 posted on 03/08/2008 1:56:28 PM PST by kaehurowing
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To: HardStarboard

I just tell them to bag my groceries in whatever is politically correct that week. I’ve gotten some cranky looks. I refuse to bring in my own bag. yuk. somehow it seems unhealthy and unsanitary to reuse the same bag over and over for groceries. germs, roaches, etc. yuk.


6 posted on 03/08/2008 1:56:47 PM PST by Mercat (To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8)
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To: Sub-Driver
"This is one of many examples where you get bad science leading to bad decisions which are counter-productive.

That about says it all. The examples that could be given run the whole spectrum of laws Congress here, in the UK, UN, and all over the world. Today, the make an issue their own, and jockey the science to fit their wishes on the issue. From global warming, to social engineering.

7 posted on 03/08/2008 1:59:13 PM PST by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican!)
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To: Mercat

Years ago ma would send me to the store with a grocery cart and a list, worked out pretty good.


8 posted on 03/08/2008 2:00:29 PM PST by silentreignofheroes (I'm Southron,,and I Vote..,..)
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To: Sub-Driver
In San Francisco, they've banned supermarkets from bagging in plastic bags. I used to re-use them as small garbage bags, bags for disposing of used cat litter, etc.

So now, I *buy* plastic bags at Safeway for garbage disposal, and they place the package of plastic bags in a paper bag at the checkout counter :-/

9 posted on 03/08/2008 2:01:06 PM PST by NMR Guy
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To: HardStarboard
Don’t ask for a plastic bag at Whole Foods - they cut down trees to hold your groceries.

That's OK, you have a better chance of winning the lottery than you do of catching me in a whole foods, a bmw, a starbucks, timberland boots, or with an iPhone.

10 posted on 03/08/2008 2:03:07 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (dehumanize: the model prescribes the required behavior. disincentives ensure compliance.)
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To: silentreignofheroes

Yes, then they invented cars and the whole world went to heck.
:-) Sorry, I find the whole topic funny.


11 posted on 03/08/2008 2:05:39 PM PST by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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<... they place the package of plastic bags in a paper bag at the checkout counter :-/

Wow...someone actually bags your groceries?! I'm lucky if there is a bagger 1 in 5 times.

12 posted on 03/08/2008 2:08:27 PM PST by tsmith130
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"Don’t ask for a plastic bag at Whole Foods - they cut down trees to hold your groceries."

Actually, we prefer paper bags. They hold more and we deposit burnable trash in them. (We live rural.) When we go to the incinerator we do a little incantation before ignition. It goes something like "F--- you Al Gore. F--- you Al Gore." We then ignite the fire and circle the incinerator while doing a little dance. Thus far, the response has been good and the Gods have smiled on us.

13 posted on 03/08/2008 2:09:14 PM PST by davisfh (Islam is a mental illness)
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To: IrishCatholic

:-) Sorry, I find the whole topic funny.

Got that right


14 posted on 03/08/2008 2:11:17 PM PST by silentreignofheroes (I'm Southron,,and I Vote..,..)
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To: Sub-Driver
I slipped on the ice today - fortunately, no spill this time, but had some nasty ones in the past.

and my neighbor slipped on the ice this week and cracked his ribs and injured his hand.

BAN ICE!

c’mon gore - you promised...

15 posted on 03/08/2008 2:11:45 PM PST by maine-iac7 (",,,but you can't fool all of the people all the time" LINCOLN)
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To: Sub-Driver

I’ve started using my own bags for groceries rather than using plastic bags from the store—or I ask for paper bags. They will recycle the paper bags. Or you can use them to wrap presents—I’ve done that before. Just wrap the present and then use a rubber stamp to put interesting designs (x-mas, b-day, etc.) on them.

Around here, you can’t throw the plastic bags in the recycle can with your other recyclables so you end up stockpiling them and unless you have a herd of cats to clean up after, you aren’t ever going to use them up.


16 posted on 03/08/2008 2:22:53 PM PST by Tamar1973 (Riding the Korean Wave, one recipe at a time http://www.youtube.com/Tamar1973)
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To: davisfh

Omigosh - Frank Costanza, is that you?


17 posted on 03/08/2008 2:25:22 PM PST by Inspectorette
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To: davisfh

Buy it here

18 posted on 03/08/2008 2:29:12 PM PST by Tamar1973 (Riding the Korean Wave, one recipe at a time http://www.youtube.com/Tamar1973)
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To: Sub-Driver; Soaring Feather; MEG33; RottiBiz; laurenmarlowe; TASMANIANRED; Allegra; ...
Paper bags are the best way to bring cockroaches into your homes.

Do not use paper bags. Think of paper chomping cockroaches in large dark warehouses just sitting in bags waiting for you to take them home. It happens.


19 posted on 03/08/2008 2:31:05 PM PST by Lady Jag (If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you)
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To: Sub-Driver

Conn state assembly is considering the same.

But that shouldn’t surprise anyone given these people were elected by the same people that have had Chris Dodd never work a day in his life.


20 posted on 03/08/2008 2:31:41 PM PST by bluedressman
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