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Carlyle Group default sparks panic selling in New York
Telegraph (UK) ^ | 2:16am GMT 07/03/2008 | By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

Posted on 03/06/2008 8:49:42 PM PST by DeaconBenjamin

Property investment trusts shares have crashed on panic selling in New York after an affiliate of the private equity giant Carlyle Group fell into default on mortgage losses.

Carlyle Capital Corp (CCC) said it had missed margin calls to seven creditors and lacked collateral to cover its trading exposure to mortgage securities. advertisement

The news sent shockwaves through the financial markets. Carlyle Capital has leveraged itself to the hilt, taking out debt at a ratio of 32:1 to invest in the US mortgage assets. It held securities worth a $21.7bn (£10.8bn) last month, raising the spectre of distress sales on a scale large enough to trigger a cascade of liquidations by other funds.

Fears of forced sales ravaged real estate investment trusts, which also own big holdings of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac debt. Anworth Mortgage shares plunged 24pc and Capstead Mortgage was off 25pc.

Thornburg Mortgage crashed 60pc after revealing an SEC-filing in New York that it had missed a $28m margin call to JP Morgan Chase. It has suffered from the collapse in investor demand for so-called jumbo mortgages.

An analyst report that UBS was engaged in a "fire-sale" of mortgage securities worth $24bn accelerated the flight from risk. Most of the assets are alleged to be Alt A securities, the next notch up from sub-prime. The Dow Jones index fell 164 points in early trading to 12,090.

Traders said Carlyle had been scooping up AAA-rated mortgage securities, believing that they had fallen fall below inherent value. The risky bet - known as "catching a falling knife" - appears similar to the strategy that ensnared the UK hedge fund Peloton Partners, which was forced to close a $2bn fund last week.

The assets were issued by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, federally-chartered bodies that have an implicit US government guarantee.


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: carlyle; economy
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Don't worry, be happy!
1 posted on 03/06/2008 8:49:43 PM PST by DeaconBenjamin
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To: DeaconBenjamin

“Carlyle Capital has leveraged itself to the hilt,”

That will do it.


2 posted on 03/06/2008 8:52:12 PM PST by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Not good — the’re some smart cookies. Makes me wonder what’s in store for the less smart cookies.


3 posted on 03/06/2008 8:57:54 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

The asian markets are down 3+%.


4 posted on 03/06/2008 8:58:22 PM PST by Mariner
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To: DeaconBenjamin

This is impossible, because leftists have assured us for years that Papa Bush’s Carlyle cabal rules the world.


5 posted on 03/06/2008 8:59:44 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (New York Times Endorsed!!!)
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To: Mariner
Still way too many bad loans out there. We still have a long way til bottom.
6 posted on 03/06/2008 9:00:02 PM PST by BGHater ($2300 is the limit of your Free Speech.)
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To: Mariner

The dollar is under 103 yen.


7 posted on 03/06/2008 9:00:45 PM PST by DeaconBenjamin
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Bring in the clowns! I suppose Shillary, or the Halfrican American will fix this.

More fear mongering to point fingers at something that isn’t there.


8 posted on 03/06/2008 9:01:16 PM PST by CalifChris
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To: DeaconBenjamin
What doesn't make sense is that more people are making 100g+ all over the nation. Many houses at 250,000 @ 30 year will cover the mortgage through rent.

If I had some extra doe I'd be buying and renting in many places. Income generators are abound.... I am sure their are many pulling these assets together as cowards run.

9 posted on 03/06/2008 9:01:31 PM PST by Porterville (I hasten karmic justice through revenge.)
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To: CalifChris

* grin * disclaimer! Just passing on a good joke ....


10 posted on 03/06/2008 9:02:05 PM PST by CalifChris
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To: DeaconBenjamin
Huge fortunes will be made by those who can figure out what the underlying investments are worth, and pick their bones clean at the bottom of the market.

Mortgages are a great investment individually. Most people will eat Top Ramen and ride to work on a bicycle before they walk away from the roof over their heads. Even the great majority of sub-prime loans are not in default

The problem comes with these CDO's that lost their moorings to the value of the underlying paper.

-ccm

11 posted on 03/06/2008 9:03:25 PM PST by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Doug Noland has been warning about this scenario happening for years. Unfortunately, he was way early on the call, didn’t get to finish his doctorate because of it, but is being proved 100% right several years later.


12 posted on 03/06/2008 9:04:07 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurtureā„¢)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

The margin calls are what are killing everyone. I work at a grain elevator and depending on what the grain market does each day, sometimes we have to pony up 5+ million dollars or more. 3 straight days of limit up moves in the grains and certain people are about ready to hang themselves!! LOL!!! It’s alot less tense in the office when the market is limit down, although my farmer husband doesn’t particularly like it!


13 posted on 03/06/2008 9:04:35 PM PST by curlewbird
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I work at a grain elevator and depending on what the grain market does each day, sometimes we have to pony up 5+ million dollars or more.

Why? Are you in the futures market by choice, or is it an instrumental part of the business of grain elevators? Why does an increase in the value of your grain cost you money?

14 posted on 03/06/2008 9:07:49 PM PST by DeaconBenjamin
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To: DeaconBenjamin
The assets were issued by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, federally-chartered bodies that have an implicit US government guarantee.

So is all this mess the government's own doing? Didn't old Hillary tell her fund-raiser crowed in CT some years back down times would be ahead.

15 posted on 03/06/2008 9:08:48 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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Carlyle said last month its agency mortgage securities ``have the implied guarantee of the U.S. government and are expected to pay at par at maturity.'' The U.S. Treasury denied speculation today that the government will guarantee mortgage- backed bonds issued by Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, which are the two largest sources of American home financing.

Carlyle Fund Gets Default Notice After Margin Calls

16 posted on 03/06/2008 9:15:02 PM PST by DeaconBenjamin
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To: DeaconBenjamin

We have bids for grain (at least right now) out through 2010. We have purchased grain from the farmers already for those months, so we in turn have to hedge those sales so we don’t lose our $ if the market drops. Futures go up-margin calls are made, futures go down-we get money back. Alot of the grain elevators around have now pulled the bids and aren’t buying anything past this current crop year because of this reason. Just part of the business. Not really a big deal until the market gets as volitile as it has been recently.


17 posted on 03/06/2008 9:24:41 PM PST by curlewbird
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To: DeaconBenjamin

What mess. Thanks for the link.


18 posted on 03/06/2008 9:28:21 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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To: ccmay
It is called a liquidity crisis. All the debt is being carried with short term borrowed money. The short term borrowings cannot be rolled over. That is the issue, not underlying loan quality issues, which only touched it off.

They are connected through the capital adequacy requirements of the major banks. Having lost risk capital cushions in subprimes, they are scrambling to hold only securities that do not require risk reserves. That is why US treasury yields are dropping while other rates are rising - the first don't require bank reserves and the second, do.

19 posted on 03/06/2008 10:17:25 PM PST by JasonC
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To: DeaconBenjamin
Dang. I need something shiny.



Will the Sun come up tomorrow?
20 posted on 03/06/2008 11:18:51 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life)
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