Posted on 03/03/2008 8:05:41 AM PST by MotleyGirl70
The rap star Juvenile is "shocked and devastated" by the shooting death of his young daughter, the girl's mother and another child, his manager said Saturday.
The 32-year-old rapper is still trying to cope with the death of 4-year-old Jelani; her mother, 39-year-old Joy Deleston; and the woman's daughter Micaiah, 11, whose bodies were found Thursday night in their home, said manager Aubrey Francis.
"It really shocked him and devastated him to the point where I've never seen him before," Francis said. "Right now he is relaxing and trying to grasp everything of what has happened."
Meanwhile, 17-year-old Anthony Tyrone Terrell Jr. is being held in the DeKalb County jail, charged in the deaths of his mother — a Gwinnett County sheriff's deputy — and siblings at the home near Lawrenceville, outside Atlanta. He was arrested Friday.
Deleston brought a paternity lawsuit in 2004, claiming that Juvenile, whose real name is Terius Gray, was Jelani's father, Gwinnett County court records show. Both parties later agreed Juvenile was the father.
Juvenile, who is in New Orleans, had been making regular child support payments, Francis said.
In 1998, Juvenile released his third album, "400 Degreez," which sold 4 million copies. At one time he was part of the four-man group The Hotboyz, along with Lil Wayne, Young Turk and B.G.
Attorney Randy Kessler, who represented Juvenile in the paternity suit, said Saturday he had not talked with the rapper about the killings.
"Any time you have a situation like that, it's shocking," Kessler said.
Terrell was taken to jail in neighboring DeKalb County to avoid any potential conflict because Deleston worked for Gwinnett County, said Lawrenceville police spokeswoman Illana Spellman. She could not confirm Friday whether Deleston's service weapon was used.
Because of his age, prosecutors cannot seek the death penalty against Terrell. A preliminary hearing will be set next week in Gwinnett County Superior Court, prosecutor Danny Porter said.
Defense attorney Lyle Porter did not return calls Friday and Saturday.
Sure. And which illiterate gangster's work should I begin studying to advance my intellect? Or maybe I can become more enlightened by doing a statistical analysis on how long you can expect the average "artist" to avoid a bullet from one of his colleagues.
Is your money going to the gangster industry? Are complete slimeballs that pretend to be making music, and complete slimeballs that produce and sell recordings of the pretend music, richer, more influential, and more able to corrupt the minds and souls of kids, because you support them financially?
Your reply:
“That’s not a hip-hop track, it’s a heavy metal track about a protagonist who kills his mother due to her racist objection to his white girlfriend.”
You’re an intelligent person, your posts are thoughtful and well-informed, (although I don’t agree with your opinion for the most part-to me, you’re defending the indefensible) and you’re technically correct about the album’s genre, although it’s more a rap/metal hybrid(I already knew about that BTW, and wondered if you’d play the semantics card-you did.)
However, Ice-T is a hip-hop/rap MC. It’s what he is best known for, and he wrote the lyrics of the song in question(Lerner and Loewe weren’t available, I guess)To pretend otherwise is like referring to Michael Jordan as a minor-league baseball player. Yeah, he was that, but....Your original post said you doubted that a rap/hip-hop MC ever wrote about such things. Well I disagree, Ice-T wrote it-no matter how you attempt to parse/spin otherwise.(Bill Clinton, is that you?). And I don’t think the album containing “Cop Killer” was solely “marketed to a white heavy metal audience”
also you wrote:
“That’s not a hip-hop track, it’s a heavy metal track about a protagonist who kills his mother due to her racist objection to his white girlfriend.”
So I guess it’s OK for someone to kill his mother—just as long as there’s a good reason for it
I was unaware that any industrial facilities manufacture gangsters? Are they OSHA-compliant?
Am I to take it that you consider hiphop nonmusic?
richer, more influential, and more able to corrupt the minds and souls of kids, because you support them financially?
Why stop there? I also watch television, see movies and pay federal, state and municipal taxes.
I have to confess that I cannot even see the withers of your steed from my worm's-eye view.
At the time he didn't realize that hiphop would become bigger than rock'n'roll - his attempt at heavy metal crossover basically destroyed his career as an MC - he hasn't had a hit record on the urban charts in 15 years.
Bill Clinton, is that you?
The reductio ad Clintonum is a pretty tired rhetorical strategy, especially on this forum.
The meaning of the phrases "hiphop track" and "black MC" should be pretty uncontroversial.
I didn't say "metal track" or "hardcore track" and I didn't say "white MC" because Eminem's lyrical relationship with his mother is distinctive.
I try to speak precisely, and I make no apologies for it.
So I guess it’s OK for someone to kill his mother—just as long as there’s a good reason for it
Who said that?
You’re also on the Net which has a lot of porn sites. Stop perverting our kids with your thoughtless surfing and callow googling! /sarc
Ya don't say.
What really makes him mad is that the 17-year-old punk gets the street cred fo' bustin' a cap in the cop's azz, and not himself.
Sheesh, gang signs vary depending on the gang. And gangs vary depending on streets sometimes. It's pathetic. We used to have gang update classes and what we could and couldn't say to a "gansta" for our own safety. For instance, if I told a person they dress like a "slob" tuck in their shirt, or pull up their pants I might get threatened with murder because the word "Slob" cannot be used with "blood" gangs. Never tell a "crip" they're "crabby." It goes on and on...eh, half the things a regular person would say, or certain hand gestures could generally get you killed on the streets. It's a nightmare of thuggery, slang, weird signs with double meanings,...basically "juvenile" stuff.
I've absolutely no idea what most of their gang signs mean excepting what the teens would tell me or the classes. I actually couldn't get through that song I linked. I don't like rap but "Juvenile" believe it or not was/is very lightweight comparatively to "gansta" rap. It's all bad( which means, good in their terminology:>)
NCC-1701?? Hmm you speak Klingon? hee hee
As much as I hate rap,I kinda like Ice T.He’s got a tough voice and he can rock too.He did a good job with Motorhead on “Born to Raise Hell”.I l’d like “Cop Killer”if the words were about something else.
Adding to your excellent summary the origin of the world "hiphop," which comes from the first line of "Rapper's Delight."
i said a hip hop the hippie the hippie to the hip hip hop,
Basically just a kind of spoken-word scat singing.
RIP.
“One of the premier funk acts of the 1970s, and one whose records have been endlessly sampled by hiphop producers, is an Ohio outfit with the ironic name of Slave.”
Actually, that sounds as good as any other stylistic moniker.
Maybe they are MASTERS at their game, but most of their music sucks.
“What would it take to make you scream, Joe?”
“Play some rap music”.
Thanks for reminding me of the GRANDMASTER origination.
One of those things that I ‘knew’, but never thought about.
The thing I noticed is that this is a press release.
The source is Yahoo Music.
The first paragraph seemed like (pardon this) overkill, and drew my attention to the ‘source’.
Huh? Where do you see that. I never mentioned a thing about my intellect, you did. Maybe I do lack intellect. But what exactly does that have to do with the cultural disease that is gangster noise?
It’s a wonder that you waste your precious time posting in this thread when you could be doing more productive things, like say...finding a cure for cancer, studying complex string theory.............or finding a novel way of pulling your head out of your ass. Do us all a favor and make yourself more useful someplace else. And for goodness sakes, find yourself a bar of soap!
Wow! That's really clever. It's really just precious how you got your little bitty self so worked up about a comment that wasn't even addressed you. You sure put me in my place with that "intellectual inferiority" response. And in your little rap-addled mind you hallucinated that I defended my intellect, and even purported myself as highly intellectual. Just to prove how smart I wasn't, you progressed to the head in the ass thing, which is a classic, used by great minds the world over. Then, just to add a touch of comedic genius, you brought it all together by stringing the ass reference with bad odors and soap. Brilliant! Your buttons must just have bursting with pride as you hammered that one home. Readers are just now picking themselves up off the floor after a massive belly laugh, no doubt. I'm sure any no-talent, lowlife, bitch slapping rapper boy would be happy as hell to have an intellectual giant and comic genius like you listen to his pretend music.
The guy makes his living in an industry that glorifies people who shoot at other people with wanton disregard for them and anyone else in their path, yet the "code of the hood" is "not my momma," and that's supposed to be somehow honorable? While you're at it try to find a gold medal in Appologism for yourself.
How about this: I will sponsor you in a Las Vegas-area for-charity event in which you will, Evel Knievel-style, motorcycle-jump over a row of 50 Mack Trucks from a ramp built from my original post to a waiting platform consisting of your conclusion on the other side.
No, Ice T’s intent was a bit more nefarious than that. As a former (or is it present say) Blood (or is it Crips) gang member, he and others are attempting nothing less than the takedown of American society. Make no mistake about it. There was a line in one of the songs from the Body Count album (it may have been the title song) in which the singer is talking to the suburban parents (whose children are listening to his music) and says words to the effect, “you wouldn’t let us into your neighborhoods, so we stole your children.” Sounds a bit more ominious than just someone trying to “branch out”. IMHO Rap/Hip-Hop, like most metal music is largely destructive, offering virtually nothing of value.
Barring a religious conversion of these “artists”, the mainstreaming of Ice T and others of his ilk is nothing more than an attempt to seduce a future generation away from its traditional underpinnings and in the direction of a society where immorality, degeneracy and decay are to be lauded.
By playing a detective on TV?
It's immaterial anyway: these days Ice-T couldn't sell a teenager one of CDs even if it came with a free iPod.
I think his last album sold far less than 5,000 copies.
Matricide, sorocide and you find a joke in it. Pathetic.
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