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To: wideawake

Your reply:
“That’s not a hip-hop track, it’s a heavy metal track about a protagonist who kills his mother due to her racist objection to his white girlfriend.”

You’re an intelligent person, your posts are thoughtful and well-informed, (although I don’t agree with your opinion for the most part-to me, you’re defending the indefensible) and you’re technically correct about the album’s genre, although it’s more a rap/metal hybrid(I already knew about that BTW, and wondered if you’d play the semantics card-you did.)

However, Ice-T is a hip-hop/rap MC. It’s what he is best known for, and he wrote the lyrics of the song in question(Lerner and Loewe weren’t available, I guess)To pretend otherwise is like referring to Michael Jordan as a minor-league baseball player. Yeah, he was that, but....Your original post said you doubted that a rap/hip-hop MC ever wrote about such things. Well I disagree, Ice-T wrote it-no matter how you attempt to parse/spin otherwise.(Bill Clinton, is that you?). And I don’t think the album containing “Cop Killer” was solely “marketed to a white heavy metal audience”

also you wrote:

“That’s not a hip-hop track, it’s a heavy metal track about a protagonist who kills his mother due to her racist objection to his white girlfriend.”

So I guess it’s OK for someone to kill his mother—just as long as there’s a good reason for it


83 posted on 03/03/2008 11:59:37 AM PST by Mac from Cleveland (All generalities are false--including this one.)
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To: Mac from Cleveland
Ice-T's goal was to break out of the "ghetto" of hiphop to become a rock'n'roll star.

At the time he didn't realize that hiphop would become bigger than rock'n'roll - his attempt at heavy metal crossover basically destroyed his career as an MC - he hasn't had a hit record on the urban charts in 15 years.

Bill Clinton, is that you?

The reductio ad Clintonum is a pretty tired rhetorical strategy, especially on this forum.

The meaning of the phrases "hiphop track" and "black MC" should be pretty uncontroversial.

I didn't say "metal track" or "hardcore track" and I didn't say "white MC" because Eminem's lyrical relationship with his mother is distinctive.

I try to speak precisely, and I make no apologies for it.

So I guess it’s OK for someone to kill his mother—just as long as there’s a good reason for it

Who said that?

85 posted on 03/03/2008 12:15:04 PM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: Mac from Cleveland

As much as I hate rap,I kinda like Ice T.He’s got a tough voice and he can rock too.He did a good job with Motorhead on “Born to Raise Hell”.I l’d like “Cop Killer”if the words were about something else.


90 posted on 03/03/2008 5:17:41 PM PST by Uncle Meat
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