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The Ethanol Bust
Fortune ^ | 2/28/2008 | Jon Birger

Posted on 02/28/2008 7:51:21 AM PST by rb22982

The ethanol boom is running out of gas as corn prices spike

NEW YORK (Fortune) -- Cargill announces it's scrapping plans for a $200 million ethanol plant near Topeka, Kan. A judge approves the bankruptcy sale of an unfinished ethanol plant in Canton, Ill.. And that was just Tuesday.

Indeed, plans for as many as 50 new ethanol plants have been shelved in recent months, as Wall Street pulls back from the sector, says Paul Ho, a Credit Suisse investment banker specializing in alternative energy. Financing for new ethanol plants, Ho says, "has been shut down."

How can the ethanol industry be slumping only two months after Congress passed an energy bill most experts consider a biofuels boon? The answer is runaway corn prices.

(Excerpt) Read more at money.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: bioscam; energy; ethanol; fuel
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To: e-male
From the Ethanol manufacturing process MEP will produce approximately 24,553,571.43 Lbs of Carbon Dioxide (CO2) as a by product...

As an old engineer, I always love to see numbers quoted to the hundredth of a pound, preceded by "approximately".

Somebody got carried away by numbers on his calculator, when the whole thing is a wild-ass guess to begin with.

21 posted on 02/28/2008 8:32:25 AM PST by Ole Okie
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To: Ole Okie

Perhaps you haven’t heard about the survey that showed 68.349% of the statistics quoted publically are made up on the spot ;-)


22 posted on 02/28/2008 8:47:00 AM PST by Cracker Jack (If it weren't for the democrats, republicans would be the worst thing in Washington.)
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To: xcamel
Food is not fuel

My body thinks it is. ;-)

23 posted on 02/28/2008 8:49:09 AM PST by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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To: Mr. Lucky

Even if accurate, you are talking about a time when people largely grew, raised, and hunted their own food. Horse feed was also supplemented by grazing, or rather grazing was supplemented with sweet-feed.

Technically, though, I suppose your statement is accurate. I just think comparing the two is the whole apples and oranges thing. People and horses both ate oats and corn. Still do. It’s adding internal combustion engines to the mix that screws everything up.


24 posted on 02/28/2008 8:55:13 AM PST by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy
Not all that much, actually. While there's overlap in potential wheat and potential corn acreage, virtually any farmer who **can** plant wheat (and double-crop it with 90-day beans) will do so. The economic numbers are simply inarguable.

Wheat prices are where they are because of A) the drought in Oz, which has cost their crop 3-5 million tonnes a year, B) the disastrous Pakistani harvest, and C) crop problems in Ukraine. Other nations have also had substandard crops over the past two years.

Ethanol is an idiotic boondoggle, and I'm perfectly willing to blame it and its subsidy-hog backers for a number of problems with food and feed costs, but the wheat situation is not one of them.

25 posted on 02/28/2008 8:55:23 AM PST by SAJ
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To: Cracker Jack
Perhaps you haven’t heard about the survey that showed 68.349% of the statistics quoted publically publicly are made up on the spot ;-)

Note to self--Always use spell-check.

26 posted on 02/28/2008 8:55:24 AM PST by Cracker Jack (If it weren't for the democrats, republicans would be the worst thing in Washington.)
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To: SAJ

Good enough.


27 posted on 02/28/2008 8:57:37 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican because no Conservatives were running.)
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To: L98Fiero
People don't much eat #2 yellow dent corn.

In any event, corn production in the US has quadrupled in the last 50 years, and is increasing faster than at any time in history, while oil production is now lower than it was 50 years ago and is decreasing faster than at any time in history.

28 posted on 02/28/2008 9:00:05 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: L98Fiero
People don't much eat #2 yellow dent corn.

In any event, corn production in the US has quadrupled in the last 50 years, and is increasing faster than at any time in history, while oil production is now lower than it was 50 years ago and is decreasing faster than at any time in history.

29 posted on 02/28/2008 9:00:18 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky

And the prices of both keep going up.


30 posted on 02/28/2008 9:03:48 AM PST by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: L98Fiero

All commodities prices has gone up, food related or not.


31 posted on 02/28/2008 9:15:32 AM PST by Swiss
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To: HD1200

Don’t go feeling special on us. Oregon’s governor is an ethanol jackass too.


32 posted on 02/28/2008 9:24:08 AM PST by Cold Heart
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To: Grampa Dave
Put some ice on the Mythanol lumps and bruises and walk away.

Far away, very, very. far away. Big money's already been made...get out fast.

33 posted on 02/28/2008 9:25:40 AM PST by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: rb22982
"When is this nonsense going to end in Washington?"

When a ten mile radius hole in the earth opens up centered on the capitol dome.

34 posted on 02/28/2008 9:27:50 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: Grampa Dave

This can’t happen soon enough.

Non-petrolieum fuels are an absolute joke.


35 posted on 02/28/2008 9:29:47 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: rb22982

This is outstanding news.

Something about people refusing to learn from history being doomed to repeat it, or something like that . . . .

I’m waiting for Time to recycle it’s cover story on Global Cooling from the 70’s now that there’s snow in the middle east . . .

Everything dumb is new again.


36 posted on 02/28/2008 9:30:03 AM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: rb22982

"Ethanol is foolish, Hydrogen cars a joke, Electric is polluting" Make no efforts in alternative fuel research"

37 posted on 02/28/2008 10:17:12 AM PST by NoLibZone (If the Clinton years were so great for the libs why is Obama doing so well?)
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To: Horusra; Normandy; Defendingliberty; WL-law; Fiddlstix; Genesis defender; proud_yank; ...
 


Global Warming Scam News & Views

38 posted on 02/28/2008 10:56:44 AM PST by steelyourfaith
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To: Pearls Before Swine

George Mason University has a great website with new podcast commentary every Monday. Go here: http://www.econtalk.org.


39 posted on 02/28/2008 12:07:26 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Global warming is to Revelations as the theory of evolution is to Genesis.)
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To: e-male

Haven’t they heard of dry ice??


40 posted on 02/28/2008 12:08:41 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Global warming is to Revelations as the theory of evolution is to Genesis.)
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