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Montanans Insist on Gun Rights
The Washington Times ^ | February 25, 2008 | Valerie Richardson

Posted on 02/25/2008 3:21:43 PM PST by kellynla

Montana officials are warning that if the Supreme Court rules in the D.C. gun ban case that the right to keep and bear arms protects only state-run militias like the National Guard, then the federal government will have breached Montana's statehood contract.

Nobody is raising flags for the Republic of Montana, but nobody is kidding, either. So far, 39 elected Montana officials have signed a resolution declaring that a court ruling of the Second Amendment is a right of states and not of individuals would violate Montana's compact.

"The U.S. would do well to keep its contractual promise to the states that the Second Amendment secures an individual right now as it did upon execution of the statehood contract," Montana Secretary of State Brad Johnson said in a Feb. 15 letter to The Washington Times.

The resolution also was signed by Rep. Denny Rehberg, Montana's lone Republican congressman, and state Sen. Roy Brown, who is running to unseat Gov. Brian Schweitzer, a Democrat.

The dispute goes back more than a century. Back in 1889, the settlers of the Montana territory struck a deal with the federal government: They agreed to join the union, and the government agreed that individuals had the right to bear arms.

That has worked fine for the past 118 years, but the Supreme Court is expected next month to hear oral argument in District of Columbia v. Heller, the appeal of a federal court decision striking down the District's gun-ownership ban on Second Amendment grounds.

The high court has not issued a broad ruling on Second Amendment law in almost 70 years, including the key question of whether it provides an individual right, like speech and jury trial, or a "collective right" held by state governments.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Government; US: Montana
KEYWORDS: banglist; beararms; constitution; guns; heller; montana; mtsos
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To: OKSooner

Could get interesting,don’t know of anyone here that would hand over their arms,


21 posted on 02/25/2008 4:03:08 PM PST by silentreignofheroes (I'm Southron,,and I Vote..,..)
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To: Spktyr

THere’s always exceptions

The harder it is to find the proper ammo, the less useful the firearm in a warzone.


22 posted on 02/25/2008 4:03:50 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?)
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To: mamelukesabre

That depends on how much ammo you have.

If you are vehicle mounted and have 1000 rounds in the vehicle, that’s probably enough.

And after all, if it comes to it, all you need is enough rounds to eliminate a lone enemy or small squad and take *their* stuff, as the VC proved.


23 posted on 02/25/2008 4:05:15 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

“take *their* stuff, as the VC proved.’

Someone that thinks,,rare indeed


24 posted on 02/25/2008 4:10:30 PM PST by silentreignofheroes (I'm Southron,,and I Vote..,..)
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To: kellynla

BTTT


25 posted on 02/25/2008 4:12:46 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: Spktyr

Ha.

Tell ya what, if there’s a war like in the movie “red dawn”, I’ll give you my old mauser with bayonet, and you can go capture some machineguns with it. I’ll cover you from a distance with my bushmaster.


26 posted on 02/25/2008 4:14:24 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?)
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To: silentreignofheroes

Yup...

If the enemy is better supplied and equipped than you are, take their stuff and use THEM as your supply train.


27 posted on 02/25/2008 4:15:02 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Mogollon

The Texas Constitution
Article 1 - BILL OF RIGHTS
Section 23 - RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS
Every citizen shall have the right to keep and bear arms in the lawful defense of himself or the State; but the Legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms, with a view to prevent crime.


28 posted on 02/25/2008 4:16:19 PM PST by ol' hoghead (He is not here; for he is risen.)
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To: mamelukesabre

If the Mauser is properly zeroed, in good working order and I’m 600 meters away, no problem. I’m no Carlos Hathcock, but I should be good for that.

My old man made it through two tours in VN and did some amazing things with a bolt rifle there. I’m not as good as he is, but I’ll do. And he was easily able to perform the feat you have just described.


29 posted on 02/25/2008 4:18:05 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: mamelukesabre
A 303 british is just about useless.

HUH? 180gr bullet @ 100yds=2233fps

zeroed @100yds. Drop is 1.4 in. @ 150 yds and 2.1 inches @ 200yds.

Seems like a pretty potent weapon to me!

Where are you going to get reliable ammo?

How about:

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30 posted on 02/25/2008 4:18:31 PM PST by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation)
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To: kellynla

3 Cheers to my aunt and cousins in Montana and those that they have elected to office.


31 posted on 02/25/2008 4:18:37 PM PST by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: kellynla
Should they seceed; I'm moving there ASAP.

I don't care how cold it gets in the winter.

32 posted on 02/25/2008 4:18:53 PM PST by Red Boots
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To: mamelukesabre
I believe it. But I’d bet a dollar that at least 75% of those firearms are, for all practical purposes, useless to a militia.

Give them a couple of years

You might check out the following....http://www.mtssa.org/successes.phtml

Machine guns and silencers - killing old laws. As a holdover from the Prohibition era, Montana had laws making it illegal to possess full auto firearms using pistol-caliber ammo, or silencers, both in conflict with current federal law. MSSA succeeded with a bill (SB427, 1999) to wipe these archaic laws off the books.

33 posted on 02/25/2008 4:25:31 PM PST by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: mamelukesabre
Where are you going to get reliable ammo? (.303)

tons of it at wally world, Sports Academy, most any gun store. 10 shot bolt action that will drop a bear is not to be taken lightly.

34 posted on 02/25/2008 4:25:54 PM PST by MrPiper
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To: kellynla

CONSTITUTION

OF THE

STATE OF OKLAHOMA

SECTION II 26
Bearing arms Carrying weapons.

The right of a citizen to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person, or property, or in aid of the civil power, when thereunto legally summoned, shall never be prohibited; but nothing herein contained shall prevent the Legislature from regulating the carrying of weapons.


35 posted on 02/25/2008 4:27:32 PM PST by monkeycard (There is no such thing as too much ammo.)
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To: silentreignofheroes

“Alabama Constitution states in Sec. 26: That every citizen has a right to bear arms in defense of himself
and the state.”

I’m fulfilling my rights and responsibility here in North Alabama...
ROLL TIDE!


36 posted on 02/25/2008 4:28:57 PM PST by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "P" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: mamelukesabre
A 303 british is just about useless. Where are you going to get reliable ammo?

Load em' yourself.

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=534835

37 posted on 02/25/2008 4:51:37 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (When you choose the lesser of two evils, you still have evil.)
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar

ROLL TIDE,!!


38 posted on 02/25/2008 4:53:35 PM PST by silentreignofheroes (I'm Southron,,and I Vote..,..)
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To: mamelukesabre
Re: A 303 british is just about useless.

Not if you want to hit... a fella out to 2,000 yards away--

However, for 300 yards or less... I have a backup piece.

39 posted on 02/25/2008 4:58:22 PM PST by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: mamelukesabre

I’ll cover all ya’ll from a mile or two out. ;-)

When in doubt, reach out and touch someone...

with 750 grains.

Mike


40 posted on 02/25/2008 5:00:48 PM PST by BCR #226 (The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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