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Straight outta Compton-Urban flight from Los Angeles[Black Flight]
The Economist ^ | 14 Feb 2008 | NA

Posted on 02/21/2008 6:19:09 PM PST by BGHater

You have heard of white flight. Now consider black flight

Next month the Burning Bush Baptist Church will hold its first service in a converted Sears department store. When the church was founded, in 1995, it had a congregation of 12. About 750 now attend Sunday services, and more are joining all the time. One reason for the church's growth is the oratorical skill of David Denson, its pastor. Another is that Burning Bush is a mostly black church, and there are a lot more blacks around these days.

Between 2000 and 2006 the black population of Victorville and Apple Valley swelled from 11,900 to 24,500. Two hours' drive from central Los Angeles and surrounded by Joshua trees, it is an improbable black haven. Victorville is a former military town on the edge of the Mojave desert to which Orson Welles exiled the writers of “Citizen Kane” to ensure they would finish the film without distractions.

Yet Victorville is typical. Other sprawling exurbs, such as Palmdale and Lancaster, are also seeing an influx of blacks looking for cheaper housing and safer streets. They reveal a dramatic shift in southern California's population, and provide clues to how America is changing.

Victorville's gain is Los Angeles' loss. Since 1990 the city's black population has dropped by a quarter, from 488,000 to 364,000, even as the overall number of residents rose. The exodus is most noticeable in areas where blacks were once concentrated, such as Compton and Crenshaw. The population of the 35th congressional district, over which the old-fashioned race warrior Maxine Waters holds sway, is now less than one-third black. “It's becoming hard to find black neighbourhoods,” says Dowell Myers, a demographer at the University of Southern California.

It is not easy to find them in Victorville, either. The city has black apartment buildings and the odd black street but no black districts. Nor do the other cities to which blacks are moving. So far, at least, southern California's ghettos seem to be disintegrating, not relocating. Price alone seems to determine where the new arrivals settle. “If you've got the money, you can move wherever you want,” says Eloise Gibson, a retired teacher in Victorville.

A similar drift is evident in northern California, where blacks are leaving the Bay Area for inland spots such as Stockton and Sacramento. Across America blacks are leaving inner-city areas. William Frey, a geographer at the Brookings Institution, a think-tank, calculates that the black population of suburban counties increased by a startling 26.5% between 2000 and 2006. They seem to be moving farther out of the city, and faster, in southern California than anywhere else.

A big reason is immigration. New arrivals from Latin America and Asia have pushed up rents in the metropolis. Until recently they pushed up house prices, too, benefiting the roughly 40% of black householders in south-central Los Angeles who own property. They could afford to move on. Immigrants have also blurred racial lines, producing a kind of confused tolerance. Boundaries that might be stark if there were only two races are a lot harder to police when there are more, especially since the groups are gradually blending.

Most of all, Mr Myers says, high house-prices have forced different groups together. In southern California people will happily trade ethnic homogeneity for an extra bedroom. It helps that most of the places blacks are moving are fast-growing, with little sense of history. Victorville has no traditionally white areas because it has no traditional areas of any kind.

Black churches are the clearest sign of Victorville's changing demography. These do not, however, resemble the community edifices that one finds in more established neighbourhoods. Many meet in shops or living rooms. Mr Denson's attracts the biggest black congregation in the area, he says, largely because he caters to commuters who want to spend precious hours with their families. He can get worshippers in and out in an hour and a half—quick for a black church.

Other changes are more worrying. Ken Jones, a high-school dropout who is learning construction skills, says his family moved from Los Angeles to get him away from gangs. It worked—he describes his life in Victorville as a “retirement”. But he says gangs and crime are becoming entrenched. Between 2000 and 2006 the number of robberies in Victorville increased by 62%. “They bring their lifestyle with them,” says Jim Melton, a youth worker.

At the moment, one of the engines that has driven this migration is stalling. Victorville and Apple Valley are mired in a housing crisis: San Bernardino county had 22,000 foreclosures last year, compared with 7,800 in 1996. Fewer people are moving as house prices fall. Yet this seems to have slowed, not stopped, the black exodus from Los Angeles. The pull of the suburbs is strong.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: California
KEYWORDS: black; compton; exurbia; flight; immigration; losangles; migration; urban

1 posted on 02/21/2008 6:19:12 PM PST by BGHater
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To: BGHater

Victorville’s gain is Los Angeles’ loss?


2 posted on 02/21/2008 6:22:25 PM PST by Wally_Kalbacken (Seldom right but never in doubt)
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To: BGHater

Well, decent people will want to escape from a hell hole like Compton if they can.


3 posted on 02/21/2008 6:28:30 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Wally_Kalbacken
Victorville’s gain is Los Angeles’ loss?

Yea, in gang population!

4 posted on 02/21/2008 6:47:32 PM PST by occamrzr06
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To: BGHater

http://www.zipskinny.com/index.php?zip=90221


5 posted on 02/21/2008 6:55:53 PM PST by acoulterfan
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

Victorville:
http://www.zipskinny.com/index.php?zip=92392


6 posted on 02/21/2008 6:58:03 PM PST by acoulterfan
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To: BGHater
Here's one explanation.

Caution: Language!

7 posted on 02/21/2008 7:16:34 PM PST by Disambiguator
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To: BGHater
I thought it was because of the prison out there--families moved to Victorville to be close to their incarcerated family members...

Its pretty much a hell hold too.. spent the night there once on the fairgrounds visiting some friends doing the fair there a few years back. Couldn't wait to get on the road and the hell outta there..

8 posted on 02/21/2008 7:54:05 PM PST by abigkahuna (Step on up folks and see the "Strange Thing" only a thin dollar, babies free)
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To: BGHater

More Americans killed by illegal aliens than Iraq war, study says

When you start digging into the numbers the only ones that can be sourced with the feds are the number of American murdered in 2005: 16692
I have seen federal numbers for illegals held in jail ranging from 19.3% to 27% of the federal prison population.

Here's a sampling of USA cities wanted for murder. What you'll see is that in big USA cities like LA or NYC most of the murderers are Hispanic. Unknown are the % of illegals. In smaller cities the FBI will post the nationalities of the murderers. About 25% of the most wanted are illegals wanted for murder. This number agrees with the percentage of illegals incarcerated in federal prisons. +-25%

Pictures of top 10 most wanted in LA. Up until recent stories about crime in LA posted by the LA Times--the pictures included the nationality of the murderers. They were all foreign nationals and mostly Mexican.

Wanted for Murder in New York City.

Chicago wanted for Murder


Philadelphia wanted for murder

San Francisco wanted for Murder


New Orleans wanted for Murder

Pictures of suspects wanted for murder in Washington DC

FBI USA 10 most wanted. (two of 10 are Mexican nationals)

There are currently no exact numbers on the number of Americans killed by illegals. Part of the reason is that the government deliberately obscures the number. I talked on the phone with the head of statistics for the US Bureau of Prisons. He said his office wasn't allowed to publish the number of illegal alien murderers. Rather they were forced to put legal and non legal residents in the same category. I talked to ICE. They put out detailed numbers on illegal child molestors. However, they put out nothing on illegal murderers.

Part of the reason for the silence on the matter is that there is evidence to suggest that most Americans being killed by illegals are black--as is the suggestion in this LA Times Article. Also this article from the LA Times. And here. This makes intuitive sense. We see stories regularly of drug gang killings in Mexico but we don't see those same stories in the USA. The reason we don't see those stories is not because its not happening. Rather we don't see the stories about illegals killing blacks because that kind of story is terribly politically incorrect. The populations being displaced in downtown sanctuary cities especially are American blacks. That means that their criminal elements would be pushed aside by Mexican gangs as well. That's also the story that the wanted for murder posters in all the major cities seems to suggest.

Nevertheless, the pattern of non reporting is starting to break. Discovery Channel has a series called Gangland that mentions ethnic cleasing of blacks by Mexican gangs

Reported Foreign Nationals on Death Row in the U.S.

To look at other USA cities go here http://stlouis.fbi.gov/ and replace stlouis with the city you want.

All that said the true number of criminal aliens is far higher than is revealed by criminal aliens in prisons. Most are simply waived through the courts.DHS Secretary Chertoff, has been quoted as warning that two million people in this country illegally have committed serious crimes. See also here and here


9 posted on 02/21/2008 8:43:16 PM PST by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: BGHater

Ping.


10 posted on 02/22/2008 5:15:06 AM PST by webstersII
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To: BGHater

It will be an interesting dynamic to the Dems. Their black constituency is not going to like being displaced


11 posted on 02/22/2008 5:36:34 AM PST by PapaBear3625
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To: BGHater

It’s been obvious for a long time that illegal aliens from Mexico/Central America are driving blacks out of LA. The legal ones too. Hispanics tend to be racist when it comes blacks


12 posted on 02/22/2008 5:40:25 AM PST by dennisw (Never bet on a false prophet! <<<<<||||>>>>> Never bet on Islam!)
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

You know, I just knew that some freepers would focus on that concept in the way that you have. I didn’t expect it to be the first response though. Thank you so much for elevating the lowest kind of thought to such prominence.


13 posted on 02/22/2008 5:42:11 AM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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