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Is Paradise Worth Fighting For? (A vanity)
Horse's Mouth ^ | February 21, 2008 | Troubling Times

Posted on 02/21/2008 2:56:28 AM PST by Troubling Times

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To: Troubling Times

He’s got a 12 year old lying witness. You have three kids. You sent them home after he went for the sheriff, so they saw the confrontation. Are any of them old enough to act as counter-witnesses?


21 posted on 02/21/2008 4:10:46 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really needed?)
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To: Troubling Times

I was not there and am not a lawyer but....

If you carry - you must carry a cell phone and if you pull the gun the first thing to come out after the situation is over is the cell phone. Call 911.

If nothing else your run in with the cops would have been recorded.


22 posted on 02/21/2008 4:12:24 AM PST by PeteB570 (NRA - Life member and Black Rifle owner)
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To: Troubling Times; Joe Brower; harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; ...
Nothing that I could see. In my mind when a stranger is charging me with only seconds to react I can't take a chance that he's not a karate expert ready to hit me with his single, practiced and perfected "death blow"."

I can understand your reaction. I'm one of those "if you pull it out use it" CCW types.

From what you related in your original post, and the attitude of your lawyer, I would definetly seek another lawyers opinion.

Pinging some on the Banglist...

23 posted on 02/21/2008 4:14:39 AM PST by JDoutrider (No 2nd Amendment... Know Tyranny)
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To: Troubling Times

save


24 posted on 02/21/2008 4:18:47 AM PST by Eagles6
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To: Troubling Times

All I can add to this, and I’m sure you already figured this out on your own, get a new attorney.


25 posted on 02/21/2008 4:29:35 AM PST by dmw (Aren't you glad you use common sense? Don't you wish everybody did?)
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To: Troubling Times

You have a bad attorney. Get yourself a new attorney. Keep looking for one that you think will work hard for you.

Get your case before a jury.

Get a lawyer who is competent on jury selection.

Get a lawyer that can help you post bail.

Go on with your life on bail and avoid any confronation whatsoever with anyone else.

Learn a Christian value to turn the other cheek, hang your head down and suffer. You will win with this belief.

In the meantime you will not have your gun.

Put off your fight with City Hall over the Dog Park. Get out of trouble first. The Dog Park has nothing to do legally with your case.

Wait for the jury to hear from your lawyer. Be silent and composed, at peace before the jury. If you have no history of provoking others and have no police record, your chance of acquittal is good. If convicted, you can appeal and have your conviction set aside on appeal.

You were a new CWP holder. You were scared.

Research crime stats in your area. Ponder deeply why you needed a CWP and gun in your area particularly.

You are protected by the 2nd Amendment to the point that you were able to own and keep a gun. But you are now in trouble over the use of that gun.

The jury needs to know:
1. You were scared of crime in your area and needed a gun for safety and defense.
2. You were attacked.
3. You were inexperienced with your CWP license.
4. You were able to stop the attacker without assault.
5. You have no past record of provoking or assaulting.
6. The attacker has a record.

Make sure your lawyer goes over the elements of proof that a prosecutor needs to present to convict you of the charges made against you.

The key is a good lawyer and controlling your emotions. Self-composure will allow your attorney to think he/she can help you/work with you. Control control control your emotions. No crusades, no speeches, just peace and composure. Pray every day and thank God for this trial and pray that He reveals to you the steps to take to be at peace and the lesson to be learned.


26 posted on 02/21/2008 5:00:31 AM PST by Hostage
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To: Hostage

BTTT


27 posted on 02/21/2008 5:21:41 AM PST by XR7
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To: Hostage; Troubling Times
You have a bad attorney.

I agree with that assessment. I have never been in quite this situation (thank God!) but I have been in situations where I was getting professional help and things weren't going so well. Friends said, "You're paying money to someone who isn't doing right by you. Find someone else."

Well, I was thinking, "They're a professional. They must know what they're doing." Wrong. I finally wised up and got someone else to help me. It was like night and day. I got a much better outcome -- the outcome I deserved.

Having a bad attorney can be the worst mistake of your life.

28 posted on 02/21/2008 5:41:25 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: Troubling Times
With all due respect, your story needs a timeline and more background.

Perhaps you could post the Police report of your arrest?

Could you begin at the beginning, proceed to the middle and finish up at the end?

Right now all I understand is that you were arrested at a dogpark in some unnamed city after you and another patron exchanged words and you brandished your (legally) carried weapon.

Presumably you had proper orientation and training when you acquired your CCW and somehow did not follow your instructors advice or somehow managed to ignite a cascade of threat reactions from the local police.

Best regards,

29 posted on 02/21/2008 5:41:47 AM PST by Copernicus (Mary Carpenter Speaks About Gun Control http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=7CCB40F421ED4819)
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To: Troubling Times
Prayers are up for your direction and comfort...

Having been given and seen these types of 'plea or else' threats I can only offer support and hopes that 'Mr world- class a@@hole' isnt too well connected, and that you can bring some heat to the prosecutor in time...

30 posted on 02/21/2008 8:52:48 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Vote for Principle to inspire Conservatives to service...LiveFreeOrDie...)
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To: Felis_irritable
I find the way the cops treated you like dirt interesting, but I confess I’m not surprised.
I can almost see their point of view as they took the perp's story hook, line & sinker.

But in any situation the CWP holder - if at all possible - should be able to relate his side otherwise my second amendment rights are useless.

Under these circs a true bad guy, knowing his target carries can just be in the same block with the CWP guy call in the bullshit story and have the deputies, hammer his target, arrest him, charge him and force him to plead or face mandatory minimum SIGNIFICANT state prison time of 3 years - 10 if they charge me with two counts which they did in their PC (probable cause filing - 20K bail $2000.00 gone to start - More later -

31 posted on 02/21/2008 9:23:03 AM PST by Troubling Times (If I used my usual it'd be a dead giveaway ;-)
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I’m curious about why you pinged me first.

I’m not a lawyer, but part of the problem seems to come from having a right reduced to a privilege as well as a paranoid police force.

Getting a new lawyer sounds like a good idea. Maybe others can help.


32 posted on 02/21/2008 10:20:12 AM PST by neverdem (I have to hope for a brokered GOP Convention. It can't get any worse.)
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To: Troubling Times

Prayer is the best and most I can offer.

Sigh.

Horrible situation.


33 posted on 02/21/2008 10:48:15 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Troubling Times

Next time, pull the trigger.


34 posted on 02/21/2008 11:04:23 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/___________________Profile updated Tuesday, February 19, 2008)
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To: Troubling Times

Who is the other guy? Does he have some kind of clout with the police or city hall?


35 posted on 02/21/2008 1:24:31 PM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: Troubling Times

If I were you, and I’’m not an attorney, I’d fight it. Fire your attorney, get a new one. Let it come to court. I doiubt that the guys story and his kids will mesh, exposing him for the perjurer he is.


36 posted on 02/21/2008 1:32:38 PM PST by lowbridge ("I can't wait to see what he stands for." - Susan Sarandon on her support of Barack Obama)
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And no I'm not going to plead

Thats good. It makes no sense to surrender. Dont make it eay for them to prosecute you. They want the easy way out, and you have alot to lose by gving in. At the very least, give them a real fight.

37 posted on 02/21/2008 1:36:59 PM PST by lowbridge ("I can't wait to see what he stands for." - Susan Sarandon on her support of Barack Obama)
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To: XR7

Hmmm... thanks for the reading.

I had scheduled myself to do some Bible reading just after having a small snack and looking at FR... Now I’m wondering if this qualifies? The message certainly resonates in my heart.


38 posted on 02/21/2008 1:45:17 PM PST by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: Troubling Times

Some good advice already here. Most important items: Be at peace. Reconsider your choice of lawyer. Don’t make snap decisions. Pray - and listen for an answer.


39 posted on 02/21/2008 2:24:26 PM PST by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: Pearls Before Swine
Are any of them old enough to act as counter-witnesses?
13, 17 and 19 - so yes. My eldest gal is off at college 120 miles away. My attorney did arrange for them to be interviewed by the state attorney - the two youngest as they were really only generally aware that anything was wrong. My attorney said they did well, corroborated my version but that they seemed "rehearsed" - which they were not!

The state attorney says he doesn't believe my attacker but finds his daughter the most credible. Which is interesting as she was completely out of view and her description of events completely false. Sigh.

40 posted on 02/21/2008 5:37:36 PM PST by Troubling Times (If I used my usual it'd be a dead giveaway ;-)
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