The Coming War with Islam

Orthodoxy Today ^ | 15-Mar-07 | Solly Ganor

[ScratInTheHat]

Our conversation soon turned to the present situation in the Middle East, about Hamas winning the elections, the situation of the Israeli Arabs, and the last Lebanese war against Hezbollah. "As Christians we are in a difficult situation here in Israel. Unfortunately, the Moslems and especially the extreme Islamist section, are giving the tone here. My family who lived in Bethlehem probably since the Crusaders, had to flee for their life. The Moslems have been forcing us out, by threats and even murder. Bethlehem that was once predominantly Christian is now predominantly Moslem. Very little is written about it even in the Israeli press."

He sipped his coffee and gave me a long look. He seemed like someone who wasn't quite sure whether to say what he was about to say. I gave him an encouraging nod.

"I have to tell you something which very few of you seem to comprehend." He continued, "Your bungling war against a few thousand Hezbollah fighters which you should have crushed no matter what, considering the importance of the outcome, has created a completely new situation, not only for this area, but globally. Your inept leadership totally misunderstood the importance of winning this war."

"As a matter of fact, the whole Moslem world, not only the Arabs, simply couldn't believe that the mighty Israeli Army that defeated the combined Arab forces in six days in 1967, and almost captured Cairo and Damascus in 1973, couldn't defeat a small army of Hezbollah men. As usual the Moslems see things the way they want to see things. Most think that the present generation of Israelis have gone soft and can be defeated."

"The American bungling of the war in Iraq only added to their conviction that victory not only over Israel but also over the West is not only possible, but certain. The ramifications of these two bungling wars may bring an Islamic bloody Tsunami all over the West, not only in Israel. The sharks smell blood and these two wars gave them the green light to attack sooner than they had in mind. Your problem is that you are on the defensive and they have the option to choose the time and the places when and where to attack and there is nothing much you can do about it. When will you Westerners realize that half measures don't work with people who are willing to die by the thousands for Allah to achieve their goal? In their eyes the Western World is simply an abomination on earth that has to be wiped out."

He spoke quietly and I could just picture him in the school giving his students a lecture. I poured him another cup of coffee and encouraged him to continue.

"The Americans, the Europeans, and even you Israelis really don't know what it is all about, do you? During the last generation hundreds of thousands of children have been taught all over the Moslem world in Madrass schools to become martyrs for Allah in order to kill the infidels. These youngsters not only are ready to do it, but are actually in the process of doing it. Bombs are going off all over the world killing and maiming thousands of people, not only on 9/11 in the US, in London Madrid and Bali, but in Africa, India, Bengladesh, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and many other places. The first signs of the Islamic Tsunami is already here, but the West doesn't understand, or doesn't want to understand what is coming."

"The Americans, instead of realizing that this is as bad as World War Two, or even worse, are going to pull out of Iraq, handing it over to Iran on a silver platter. Next may come the Saudis and the rest of the Gulf states. When dirty bombs go off all over Western towns, who is going to stop the Iranians?"

[ScratInTheHat]

Dated but a good read

Maybe to close to reading tea leaves here!

[Paladin2]

Not to worry. Pelosi and Hussein are going to intercede on our behalf and all will be well.

[steel_resolve]

"The American bungling of the war in Iraq only added to their conviction that victory not only over Israel but also over the West is not only possible, but certain.

tired old meme. Note to esteemed whathisname: we are winning in Iraq, we are knocking their you-know-whats in the dirt. Yawn...

[doc1019]

The Coming War with Islam

Definitely dated … we have been at war for quite some time.

[Misterioso]

Not dated in the least. Suggestion: Read the whole article and then see if you can yawn, steel_resolve.

[ScratInTheHat]

tired old meme. Note to esteemed whathisname: we are winning in Iraq, we are knocking their you-know-whats in the dirt. Yawn...This is dated material.

Discount that and read the rest of it.

I agree with you on Iraq. It's the deeper picture I wanted you to see.

[reefdiver]

Who the hell was He? This sounds like a poorly written cheap novel.

[Sender]

I am 100% convinced of the coming war with Islam. It will be complicated by economic issues, political issues, and utter refuse-to-see-the-problem issues.

Whether one believes Biblically, or whether one simply sees the writing on the wall, the Big One will be the West vs Islam. That's a very politically incorrect thing to say, and therefore our Western leaders are loath to say it. Islam is a religion of peace, it has been hijacked by a small number of extremists, diversity is our strength, etc. Numbers in the end will bring a stark realization of reality.

Islam is growing. Islamic families are growing, even as European families and birthrates are declining. "Youths" are torching police stations and raping innocents. Where is the outrage? Buried on page 16. You just can't say that. "Youths" might be enraged.

Here in America, it's not so bad yet. But still, diversity and the "American dream" afford preferential treatment to the needs of the Islamic visitor. Even when Americans are killed in an act of sudden jihad, there is no official confirmation of the cause. Just a misled youth, we are told. Don't associate this with a great religion. Islam is peace.

I'm over 50, but I will still be able to fend for myself when all this comes down. We're about to have President Obama (or possibly President Clinton reinfection). Does anyone think that this sign of weakness will cause the enemy to abandon their plans? Their plans are long, over generations. The Ummah will be established as the Calilphate. The lack of a strong President just makes things easier and earlier.

They want to win in the courts and in the government, rather than by violence, if possible. Let's not allow that. Let's force them to show what they intend in full.

The American Dream doesn't include a repressive theocracy that forces submission over the Constitution and freedom. It isn't going to happen here. We went over this about 230 years ago. The lesson was painful, but we won. Do we need this lesson again? I'm keeping a watchful eye on the Tree of Liberty. There is no "Allah" in USA. There is no martyrdom in true freedom. There is only respect and allowance for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I don't see those three things in the Qur'an.

[William Terrell]

Do you deny that, considering the events in Canada and various counties in Europe, we most likely will be, if not already are, at war with Islam?

[Catulus]

“Do you deny that, considering the events in Canada and various counties in Europe, we most likely will be, if not already are, at war with Islam?”

They are at war with us. We’re not at war with them. That might offend the Saudis, and we can’t offend the enemy in time of war, you know. (depressed sarcasm)

[steel_resolve]

SO you and the others on this thread want to declare war on almost 1 billion people? Good luck with that. The thing to remember is that the faster we can liquidate the incorrigible wing of Islam, break up the madrassa system, cripple the Iranians, the Saudia Arabias and the Syrias, then I will think we are going to win the war with radical islam. But make no mistake: We could never go to war and liquidate Islam itself.

[ScratInTheHat]

You didn’t read the post did you?

[oldenuff2no]

Every day the muslim world is telling us that they are going to kill our people and destroy our way of life. They tell us that we will be forced to convert to islam. Muslims tell us that they will use force to turn us into good little muslims.
Good little muslims don’t exist!!!!!
OK, they tell us what their intentions are and yet the PC crowd gets all kind of PO’d when we believe the islamics.
Islam has declared on me, my family, my religion, and my way of life. I have the right and the responsibility to defend these things. I am prepared to use whatever amount of force necessary to maintain my family, my religion, and my way of life. If a few million muslims have to die in this endeavor than so be it. I didn’t start this war, they did. Truthfully, I don’t care if we turn their homelands into a glowing parking lots.
They have declared war on everything I value. I do not value them. If there is killing to be done we need to kill them in their own countries!
Somehow I always get into trouble when I choose to believe the spokesmen of islam when they lay out their plans for the western world. The "angry white man" is running out of patience with their threats and their crap. One of th organizations I was a member of for many years has the right idea. Kill them all and let God sort them out.....

[stboz]

It's far past the time to poke these Islamic sh*ts in the eye. They want us under their thumbs or dead...which ever comes first.

"Allah told me to." is just an excuse to be a murderous piece of sub-human waste.

[stboz]

It's far past the time to poke these Islamic sh*ts in the eye. They want us under their thumbs or dead...which ever comes first.

"Allah told me to." is just an excuse to be a murderous piece of sub-human waste.

[grey_whiskers]

When dirty bombs go off all over Western towns, who is going to stop the Iranians?"

Trident subs.

The US pioneered the use of nuclear warheads on civilian populations.

Cheers!

[Catulus]

“the Saudia Arabias”

We’re going to do this when?

Did you see George W. Bush, President of the most powerful nation on Earth, go hat in hand and grovel before the Saudis to beg for lower oil prices?

[G8 Diplomat]

Coming war? Islam has been making war on the kafirs for 1400 years.

[BBell]

Here is a dated Euroweenie article. Don't post reply's until you read it please.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/02/27/nterr127.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/02/27/ixhome.html

[William Terrell]

SO you and the others on this thread want to declare war on almost 1 billion people? Good luck with that. The thing to remember is that the faster we can liquidate the incorrigible wing of Islam, break up the madrassa system, cripple the Iranians, the Saudia Arabias and the Syrias, then I will think we are going to win the war with radical islam. But make no mistake: We could never go to war and liquidate Islam itself.

It is not radical Islam that is demanding observance of their ways, frequently to the exclusion of the local domestic ways.

If 1 billion people make war on us, you're cordially invited to suggest strategies that exclude war on them. War does not have to be flinging pointy pieces of metal about; it can be simply the deliberate advances of an alien culture which, if not resisted, means the death of the target culture.

But, yes, let's just declare peace and tolerance, and any advances on nonIslamic cultures will stop forthwith. If you say it long enough and loud enough, it may come true.

Excuse me if I'm skeptical.