Posted on 02/18/2008 5:17:55 PM PST by HAL9000
I'd be happy to be wrong. For a variety of reasons, I'd prefer Hillary Clinton to be the Democratic presidential nominee.But it's not going to happen. She'll be clobbered in Wisconsin tomorrow. She might run ahead, even win, the popular vote in Texas, but the delegate count will be close, probably pro-Obama. The media talk, the popular mood, the times -- they all work for Obama.
Finally, there's been the Clinton campaign. Fighting, seriously, today about Obama's borrowing of rhetoric from a friend is a sign of desperation. Obama is derivative. So is everyone. And Bill Clinton -- who knew? -- has proved to be a negative.
The media megaphone can't be underestimated.
Some of it is crazy. Some of it unfair. So is life.
Obama will win the nomination. Polls today say he'll beat McCain everywhere -- in every key state and nationally. Those same polls said the same thing about Hillary Clinton's sure dominance a few months ago.
For the record.
“A significant amount of his support traces to the fact he’s not Hillary.”
BINGO!!!
Good point and I realize that not all of the members are liberals however even if 1/2 of the members support Obama that is huge for him.
My point is this - Obama will be the Dem nominee. It is almost impossible for Hillary! to catch him with pledged delegates. The super-delegates will break heavily for Obama if he is ahead in pledged delegates and overall vote total. She’s toast - and she knows it...
You are going to lose.
I think Hillary is done. She is not Bill. I think we make the mistake that Hillary can get away with the same crap that Bill got away with - she can’t."
I agree, Raleigh. And with the exit polling after the Potomac Primaries showed surprisingly high percentages of democrats that would not vote for Hillary in the general, I think that the DNC realizes that she's not "a winner" for them. They just haven't told her yet.
The SEIU endorsement may indeed put Obama over the top; they have some of the best field organizers in labor movement.
Of the SEIU members who vote in Democrat primaries, Obama may get most of the votes; but the real strenght of the endorsement is the get out the vote for Obama that will occur.
You are correct! I have watched the GOTV machine they have - it is tough to beat...
Not to mention that those files are going on twenty years old... Many of those "players" are out of the game by now, just by attrition.
It is not trick voting. It is strategic voting. And it works. It’s why we have McCain. Independents and dems crossed over where they could and they are part to blame why we have him now.
I am not voting for McCain. I am not voting for Huckster. I am not voting for commie-bama. I am voting for Hillary because she is the most beatable democrat. In the polls McCain beats her. She has incredibly high negs. Obama nobody seems to care about his baggage, and he is likeable and vacuously inspiring to the libs who just care about feelings (the large majority of them).
We gotta take Obama down and have Hillary be the nominee, she’s the only one McCain can compete against and have a chance at winning. Matched up against Obama, he’s a crotchety old dinosaur who doesn’t inspire anyone. Matched up against the b1tch, he’s got a chance.
bttt
You’re right. Milwaukee, Madison, Green Bay carry dems in Wisconsin because the liberal population centers there are huge. Not to mention the outright voter fraud that goes on in Milwaukee. Remember this was where the Clinton campaign gal was giving people packs of cigs to vote for him. This was where the night before the ‘04 elections a bunch of black local DNC guys slashed the tires on the RNC vans. One of them the son of dem congressthing Gwen Moore.
Exactly.
Yes! Hillary also fled Virginia before the polls closed and "fled" a congratulatory statement to Obama on that day's three wins.
She even co-oped the word "sweep" in Texas, saying that she was going to "sweep across the state" just as Obama really TOOK a sweep in the Potomac Primaries.
I think that the party leaders are already huddling on how to tell her she's out, and believe that it may be just two days away before donors and leaders are in full agreement of it.
Oh, please, make it so.
All due respect. She needs to be stopped at the earliest possible point by any means necessary. A strategic vote for her now keeps open the possibility of her winning later.
Not acceptable under any alternate scenario.
I'm sure that figured into Hillary's *urgency* to make a run now rather than in 2012.
Too bad for her that Obama was off-radar at the time of her file grab. It's his only saving grace.
After Wisconsin, she's cooked hog.
Yeah - it all seems like a good plan. There will be voter fraud like we have never seen if she is the nominee - but do what you want - just thought I give you my two cents - things always don’t work out - no matter how ‘strategic’ we see thing. For me, honesty is always the best and God can change things in a minute - despite all the ‘strategic’ planning. I guess it’s more about me - I could never pull a lever for her - for ANY reason. If she becomes president, how would you feel?
Based on their absolute and uncompromising support for abortion in every circumstance, I'd say both she and Obama love children ... dead and cut in little pieces.
I’ll believe it when I see it.
When Bill Clinton was impeached, I was thrilled. I thought that was the end of that white-trash couple, but no, it did not hurt him at all.
The Clintons are like a horror movie when the victim throws the monster out the window and it pops back in!
Yep. Urgency doesn't fully describe it, I am sure. Obama's rise may well be indicative of the Dems breaking free of their grasp.
After Wisconsin, she's cooked hog.
Not soon enough for me!
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