A more relevant question would be... “Is Denver made of combustable material?”
Posted on 02/13/2008 7:00:20 AM PST by jdm
After Barack Obama swept the Potomac Primaries last night, one might have expected Hillary Clinton to say a few words to her supporters to explain the losses. If so, the crowds that turned out for her in Texas had to manage their disappointment. They managed to let her know when they disagreed with her, however:
As news of her triple defeat in the Potomac Primary sank in, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton did what has become a specialty in recent weeks: She headed someplace else.
After flying from Virginia to Texas for a rally on Tuesday night, Clinton did not publicly acknowledge, even in passing, that three significant primaries had taken place that day and her campaign had not issued a statement hours after results were announced. ...
When Clinton mentioned having differences with Obama over health care and the mortgage crisis, she was booed. Her comments continued past 9:30 p.m. Eastern time, as the polls in Maryland closed and the race was called for Obama, but in the giant arena, with a crowd her campaign estimated at 12,000, it seemed as though the defeat had not happened.
She talked about George Bush and Barack Obama being "all hat and no cattle," a rather strange reference for someone who has no executive experience at all. Her only public-policy leadership experience came from a task force that attempted to nationalize health care and lost her party control of Congress. In fact, the debacle was so bad that the Clintons have kept the records from going public for months.
It also might cause a few people to recall Hillary's history with "more cattle". Questions still remain about how she managed to turn $1,000 in cattle futures into a $100,000 profit. What was the wife of the governor of Arkansas doing in partnering with the head of a corporation in a state-regulated industry to turn an almost unheard-of profit from a minimal investment? Talk about all hat, no cattle!
Beyond that, though, Hillary still remains the favorite to win the nomination. She now trails in overall delegates for the first time, and in pledged delegates Obama leads by over a hundred, 1059-956. Without the 796 superdelegates, neither can win the 2,025 delegates necessary to get the nomination, and the primary map will soon start favoring Hillary. I doubt that the gap will get much wider, and it will likely narrow considerably. Unless Obama can keep widening it all the way to the convention, he's sunk.
Here's why. The superdelegates represent the elected and appointed establishment of the party. The Clintons have spent the last sixteen years putting most of them in power. They have campaigned for them, raised cash for them, and gotten them their jobs. Most of them are superdelegates because of the Clintons in one way or another. Barack Obama, on the other hand, just won his first national office three years ago, and has done far less for most of these elected and appointed officials.
When the Clintons come calling, which will most of these people choose to support? The people who put them in the position of casting this vote, or a candidate who hasn't done hardly anything for them? Will they select the candidate that wants to incorporate the establishment into the next administration, or the one that has campaigned on the promise to clean out the establishment?
Obama had better hope he wins everything between now and Denver. If he has less than a two-hundred delegate lead going into the convention, he won't win the nomination.
Your reaction is much more emotional than mine. I have a real reason not to vote for John McCain. If amnesty passes, you not only give legal status to 12 to 20 million illegals, you also allow at least 66 million more LEGAL immigrants to join them over a twenty year period thru chain migration, i.e., family reunification over a 20 year period. This is on top of current legal immigration of 1.2 million annually. It will be game, set, and match for this country if that happens. I won't be complicit in the destruction of my own country.
On your signature issue, the alternative to McCain is WORSE, whether it's Obama or Clinton. Your "revenge" on McCain ends up being hurting you more than if you behaved like a responsible citizen.
No, Obama and Hillary are not worse on amnesty. They are the same on comprehensive immigration reform. They voted the same way on the same bills.
My vote has nothing to do with "revenge." Can I be held to same standard as McCain on his votes for McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy, or McCain-Lieberman? Must I vote for someone who wants to shut down Gitmo? Or has Juan Hernandez on his staff?
Attacking me on my behavior as a "reasonable citizen" is an insult I take great offense to. I served 8 years as a naval officer including a year in Vietnam and another 8 months off the coast. I also served 28 years as a Foreign Service Officer including two years in Iran during the fall of the Shah and being in the Embassy when it was overrun the first time by Khomeini supporters on February 14, 1979, two years in Poland during martial law and the rise of Solidarnosc', and five years in Saudi Arabia during the entire period of Desert Shield/Storm.
I will match my reasonableness and service to this country to your's anytime. I am acting out of conscience and principle, not emotion or revenge. John McCain probably understands that better than you do.
I don’t know about that. Democrats are like battered wives. They come back no matter what. Republicans are more like my wife. Cross her once and you’re laying on the ground bleeding while she says, “Honey, how do you reload this?”
So you say....
There will be blood.
No doubt.
This election has been educational for me in how the candidate is actually chosen. I’m SURE that 99% of Obama’s supporters think that the popular vote determines the party winner. They are NOT going to understand or tolerate the “super delegate” selection of Hillary as the Dem nominee when Obama has been sweeping every state and with the media hype to add to it all.
Yes, there will be blood.
She WILL offer him the VP spot and he WILL accept it.
So then, we face the issue of a Muslim VP and POTUS whose RH assistant is also muslim.
God help us.
Now I expect a $1200 royalty ever time its used on DVDs or streamed on the internet.
Are you challenging my word? I really don’t need any lecture from you on how I should behave or vote. I am not trying to convince you or anyone else on how to vote. I can only speak for myself. I will not vote for John McCain, Hillary, or Obama for President, the first time I have not voted for that office in over 45 years. It is not a decision I take lightly or take great pleasure in.
This is a very unintelligent piece...the kind you see in celebrity magazines, fueled on emotion and buzz. Hillary must win by mathematically improbable margins in the remaining primaries and Obama’s got more money for the stretch run at about a 3:1 ratio. He will go to the convention with more votes and delegates (no statistical scenario, even those favorable to Hillary, say otherwise.)
And for Hillary to then win she would have to engineer unethical reinstatements of Michigan and Florida, and strong-arm superdelegates into going against the will of the Democratic voters. The media and the people would simply not permit that. So she now has to count on some kind of amazing MACACA moment by Obama...and the likelihood is that those moments will come from Bill Clinton and Ed Rendell.
In a way, yes I am. I don't accuse you of lying, but I do think you're rationalizing an essentially emotional response into one of "conscience and principle," based on personal disagreement with McCain's stance on your hot-button issue.
I am not trying to convince you or anyone else on how to vote.
Oh, pooh. Of course you are. Why else would you have set up an "anybody by McCain" table at CPAC?
Their dead constituents will continue to vote for Hillary though. I watched a precinct in Texas for the first three hours it was open during the 1998 election. Guess how many voters came? Zero, zip, nada. Guess how many ballots were cast? 110% of the registered voters for that precinct. I guess paying off the precinct staff was cheaper than buying chicken dinners and renting vans.
A more relevant question would be... “Is Denver made of combustable material?”
From your keyboard...
I was a teen when the Chicago debacle happened and don't recall it, but I've read about it and wouldn't mind seeing something like that happen again. Time to thin the herd.
The sins of the father and mother will be visited on the whole family.
I watched this speech. She was not booed. They booed when she mentioned Obama's name. The WaPo is really pimping for the black candidate.
My "hot button" issue transcends partisan politics. I am convinced based on hard data that amnesty and our current legal immigration policies will destroy this country. This is not hyperbole.
My "personal disagreement" with McCain's stance on amnesty is shared by many as the polls and last summer's reaction to McCain-Kennedy will attest. It is a very substantive policy disagreement, not an emotional response. I cannot vote for someone with whom I disagree so much on such an important issue.
Oh, pooh. Of course you are. Why else would you have set up an "anybody by McCain" table at CPAC?
I never did set up such a table as "anybody but McCain" nor is that the objective of the new group that myself and others have founded and which will be launched soon. It goes beyond the amnesty issue, which is just one of a litany of items of disagreement that conservatives have with McCain. We are not trying to convince anyone not to vote for McCain, but rather, to act as a conduit for like-minded people to express their unhappiness with someone who will be the party's standard bearer. Basically, it will do the following:
Action statement:
We will vote in the November 4, 2008 election for all Republican candidates except for the Office of the President, which will be left blank or filled in with a write-in candidate as determined by each voter.
Mission statement
We are committed to preserving the conservative vision for America as the foundation of the Republican Party. We cannot support John McCain as the Republican candidate for the Presidency of the United State of America because of his policy positions and record on amnesty, political free speech, federal funding of embryonic stem cell research, global warming, and a host of other issues important to conservatives.
Purpose
Provide a venue for alienated conservative Republican voters to express their objection to the nomination of Senator McCain as the Republican candidate for President.
Oh come on, son. "I base that on the reaction my newly formed group, Republicans Against Maverick McCain, got during the CPAC conference. Most who signed up said they wouldn't vote for McCain under any circumstance."
You're most certainly trying to convince folks how to vote -- or to withold their vote. If you can't even admit that, based on what you've said ... why should I trust anything you have to say?
Is there a town called Hell in Texas?
You might look for her there is ther is.
LOL. As someone who will be 65 in a few months, I never thought I would be addressed as son.
You're most certainly trying to convince folks how to vote -- or to withold their vote.
Do you have a reading comprehension problem? I just provided you with the purpose of the organization and its mission. I am not trying to convince anyone not to vote for McCain. That is a matter of personal conscience. The only people who are signing up are those who agree with what we are doing. It is strictly voluntary. We reflect their views, not shape them.
Obviously, you don't understand the depth and extent of the dissent among conservatives about the McCain nomination. Although folks like Newt, Ollie, Geroge Will, John Bolton, and others are beseeching us to hold our noses and vote for McCain, it isn't working. Regardless, the proof of the pudding will be the results in November. If McCain wins, the conventional wisdom will be that he can win without conservatives, and if he loses, it was because of those nasty conservatives who didn't vote for McCain and placed personal dislikes above party.
As I have said, if John McCain can be excused by the GOP for voting on principle and conscience rather than with his party, we should be able to do the same thing in November.
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