Posted on 02/11/2008 1:10:17 PM PST by dangus
I think the real work now is holding as many House,Senate, and Gubernatorial seats as we can. But what we can do is limited by the crushing defeat McCain will get.
Longer term the focus should be on the midterms and 2012. That’s where the jockeying and platform will be crucial for conservatives...Don’t let the Party Hacks sell a bill of goods about liberal/moderate crap to give McCain a chance to win. HAS HAS NO F’N CHANCE.
Again, the real work will be midterms in 2010 and 2012 Presidency.
>> All he has to do is win 85% of the remaining delegates <<
To win without a negotiated/brokered nomination.
Huckabee: 262
Romney, including non-pledged delegates: 297
Uncommitted: 41
Paul: 21
Thompson: 11
TOTAL DELEGATES WON BY OTHER-THAN-MCCAIN: 632
MCCAIN: 683
DELEGATES AVAILABLE: 1235
That ridiculous mantra of the Washington Post that Huckabee needs 85% of remaining delegates is contemptuously false. With 1235 delegates available, McCain is beating “not-McCain” by 51 delegates.
The point is you’re either (a) one of the McCain lemmings, or (2) a defeatist. Both are poison to conservativism.
However, with McCain we will maintain some important ground IMHO (ie. abortion, the war, and the SCOTUS)...at least much better than with either a Hillary or an Obama.
I cannot let those soldiers who have fought our enemies die in vain...and I cannot let all of those innocents who have died in the abortion holocaust die in vain, particularly when we have a chance in the next cycle to get that majority on the SCOTUS by ceding things to Hillary or Obama.
with McCain we retain the SCOTUS possibility...with Hillary or Obama we cede it completely.
In all the areas where McCain is bad...and there are some doozies and I am spitting mad about it...we will olose just as much if not more ground with Hillary or Obama.
Therefore, in good conscience, not as a vote for McCain so much as a vote to stop those others...if McCain does end up winning the nomination, I will probably vote for him in the general for those reasons.
Clearly, purely on the issues Thomspon, Romney, and others would be better. But if they do not get in at all, they cannot do anything.
Sadly, tragically, so many of our citizens are SO memerized by looks, energy, etc, and other things that have nothing to do with issues, we may have to have something to balance it out. Condi could do that and still give us some very manageable (though not optimum by any means) positions on numerous issues.
It is a sickening, disgusting, and agonizing position we are in.
I am neither...but, hehehe, now whose calling names? Hmmm?
...the point is that your own comparison kind of went up in smoke, huh?
if McCain does end up winning the nomination, I will probably vote for him in the general for those reasons.
I will probably also vote for him against a dem. I’m just saying I will watch rather than be out there campaigning for him like I normally would. Let the bigwigs show us how to get their guy elected.
>> Do you believe that Romney will give his delegates to Huckabee?! Get real man. <<
Give them? No. But Romney almost doesn’t matter. What matters is that the unpledged delegates get the message that McCain is unacceptable. We’re going to the convention. A brokered convention unthinkable? Look at the Democrats’ side:
Hillary has 1115 delegates. Obama has 1049. Hillary needs 910 to win, Obama needs 977. There are 1406 delegates available. Do you see either camp getting the 1406 needed to win?
We’re going to see either (A) two brokered conventions, or (B) a decision made in a metaphorical “smoke-filled room.” Do you think Romney simply gives his delegates to McCain in a smoke-filled room, or someone besides McCain is chosen?
WHOOPS: In my last post, I mean given that Huckabee wins half or more of the remaining primaries, which, admittedly is unlikely.
I think your whisteling past the graveyard. McCain will loose in a land slide and won’t even take his home state against Obama. Obama is the democratic Reagan. He is an empty slate that a tired, dispirited group of people can hang there hopes on!!
The vast political middle want to see problems solved, many don’t care how. McCain will not bring any change nor will Hillary, for both of them it’s obviously about power.
There’s an ocean of difference between “defeatist” and “delusional.”
There’s an ocean of difference between “defeatist” and “delusional.” “Wrong” would be one thing, “delusional” is just unfit for any serious discussion.
Excuse me, but Reagan was no empty slate! If you believe that you are real young and educated in our public schools.
ROFLMAO, do you have some-sort of disability??
>> ...the point is that your own comparison kind of went up in smoke, huh? <<
Hardly. I’d say being down 14-10 in the 4th quarter isn’t that different from being down 683-632. Especially given the existence of winner-take-all and winner-take-most primaries.
D00d! TMI, man... TMI!
'nuff said.
I am no big McCain supporter in the least. Just started all of this out by making the comment, which I stand behind, that the likelihood of Huckabee getting to any path that leads to him having the delegates necessary to win, while not technically impossible, is so improbable as to be almost so close as to be indistinguisshable at this point.
That's the reality.
I also stated, however, that if Huckabee pulls off what he himself deems as such a "miracle", I will be the first to congratulate him.
FRegards.
If there is still a remote chance to sink McQueeg, we need to do it.
I hope McCain Loses to Huckabee by the number of delegates that McCain threw to Huckabee in WV...friggin' sweet!
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