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The Wall Street Journal ^ | 2/11/2008

[Menehune56]

Now that John McCain is close to wrapping up the GOP Presidential nod, the same people who endorsed his opponents are saying he needs to become more restrictionist on immigration for the general election. We'd direct readers to last week's California primary exit poll, which offers better advice.

[raybbr]

Not only a lie, I daily listen to talk radio and there might be some who do refer John to as Juan (Savage? I don't listen) but more importantly the lie that "Most Americans agree with him (John)"

I am sure there a few in places like Arizona and the west that are being destroyed by this invasion - that Juan McCain is abetting. The big guys aren't calling him that - yet.

I really can't understand how the sovereignty of the U.S. can be so close at stake and so many people around the country are cheering its demise.

I am truly fearful for the future of the U.S. as nation. I am also fearful that soon, being patriotic will be deemed a hate crime.

[iopscusa]

Yep the WSJ is part and parcel of the Globalistic crowd, I cancelled my sub this year. They are on the same page as Fox and being pushed to the left.
What will they say when the next domestic WMD hits?

[wavynavy]

McCain doesn’t win California under any circumstances, and he does probably lose half or more of the so-called red states. He’s Bob Dole II, only older. The conservative base will not support him to any great degree, and much of the electorate is neither conservative or willing to let Republicans continue in the White House. Bush has not been endearing himself to many millions out there. And if by any chance McCain chooses Gomer to be his VP then you will no doubt see a complete Dhimmicrat landslide.

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

Tell you what I saw in the Journal one day last week: side-by-side editorials, one talking about how dumb it was to expect a fence to discourage illegal immigration - right next to it was a story about how incredibly successful the Israeli fence around the Palestinian terrorists has been in reducing terrorist attacks in Israel.

Ironic how the "Palestinians" are just like the illegals with the crimminal gangs in our cities.

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

The Madison Avenue crowd want their Keating Five bailout man to help them get more subprime lending.

[Solson]

You guys are cracked. Look around, get out of the house, go talk with people. It's very clear that, despite the idealistic, yet naive hopes of deporting all illegals and shooting anyone that dare attempt to cross, McCain's proposal, just like Bush's plan is reasonable.

That's what the majority see - a reasonable approach.

[End Times Crusader]

So you would vote for someone who is pro-abortion and pro-homosexual just because you agree with him on immigration?

[raybbr]

You guys are cracked. Look around, get out of the house, go talk with people. It's very clear that, despite the idealistic, yet naive hopes of deporting all illegals and shooting anyone that dare attempt to cross, McCain's proposal, just like Bush's plan is reasonable. That's what the majority see - a reasonable approach.

Reasonable? Okay. Are our soldiers fighting now in Iraq to bring safety and security to people that have invaded our country?

Did Americans die in wars all around the world so that illegal aliens could simply walk across the border and get the rights that U.S. citizens enjoy?

Is it reasonable to allow criminals out of jail simply because they demand it?

Does your chest swell with pride when you see millions of invaders of the U.S. marching down the street demanding the same rights as the citizens have?

Do you believe in a "new America".

We are now one of the largest Spanish-speaking nations in the world. We're a major source of Latin music, journalism and culture.

Just go to Miami, or San Antonio, Los Angeles, Chicago or West New York, New Jersey ... and close your eyes and listen. You could just as easily be in Santo Domingo or Santiago, or San Miguel de Allende.

For years our nation has debated this change -- some have praised it and others have resented it. By nominating me, my party has made a choice to welcome the new America.

Our future cannot be separated from the future of Latin America.

As I speak, we are celebrating the success of democracy in Mexico.

George Bush from a campaign speech in Miami, August 2000.

You can read the speech here.

Here is an excerpt of a good critique of that speech:

In equating our intimate historic bonds to our mother country and to Canada with our ties to Mexico, W. shows a staggering ignorance of the civilizational facts of life. The reason we are so close to Britain and Canada is that we share with them a common historical culture, language, literature, and legal system, as well as similar standards of behavior, expectations of public officials, and so on. My Bush Epiphany By Lawrence Auster

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I do go out of the house and talk to people. I tell them we are being invaded and to watch out for quislings like you that believe U.S. citizenship can be given away as cheaply as McCain is offering. I tell them that their are people here in the U.S., like you, that are willing to participate in the erosion of our sovereignty and culture because they are to cowardly to stand up FOR them.

I tell them that the only way the United States of American will remain a great and powerful sovereign nation is by defeating people like you and McCain and Bush.

What do you tell them? That these people, who have INVADED the U.S., should be rewarded for their invasion? Do you tell them that these people who are stealing from them should be forgiven?

Do you tell them that is is right to give them amnesty and citizenship AHEAD of the hundreds of thousands that have been waiting patiently in line for years? Do you feel you have a right to cut in lines at the supermarket? Why should they be allowed?

[End Times Crusader]

No surprise here. I've been saying all along that Americans favor a pathway to citizenship for illegals and that anti-immigrant extremists were hurting the party's image with their actions and rhetoric. This election is proving that. Both Tancredo and Hunter went nowhere and the one candidate that didn't bow to the fringe is now on his way to the nomination.

We must elect John McCain this November and support sensible immigration reform so that the GOP can secure the Hispanic vote. Anything else and the party is finished.

[Vaduz]

We still allow california to be a state?.

[E. Cartman]

The WSJ and their friends can't get amnesty passed without completely destroying the rule of law in the minds of the public, and when President Obama or President Clinton comes to seize their lucre, they'll be screaming bloody murder for the rule of law that they put down in their search for increased profits.

While they can easily understand a balance sheet, the folks at the WSJ have scant comprehension of the true worth of so many of life's intangibles: the rule of law, societal comity, mutual respect. To paraphrase the song, "They don't know what they've got 'til it's gone..."

[End Times Crusader]

If Arizonans had a problem with McCain they wouldn’t keep reelecting him.

[puroresu]

LOL! Big business telling us peons what we're allowed to think. I notice they rigged their poll very nicely. They left the most popular option out of the poll. That option is to enforce existing law. If we prohibited illegals from getting jobs or getting benefits, they'd leave of their own accord.

The media have demonized deportation to the point that many people think it's the equivalent of sending people to the death camps. Even so, there's no need for mass deportation. Just enforce the law. But even if we rounded them all up and bussed them out, it would be perfectly legitimate to do so.

I've asked this question a dozen times here and I've never gotten an answer from the open borders types. The question is: Do I have the right to enter any nation on earth anytime I feel like it, without regard to the laws of that nation? If I decide tomorrow that I want to live in Argentina, do I have a right to simply go there with no documentation, to sign up for benefits, to take a job from an Argentinian citizen? Would Argentina be violating my human rights if they booted me out?

The open borders people are afraid to answer that question. And the fact that they're afraid to answer it demonstrates what lying phonies they are.

[Clemenza]

The WSJ is the best newspaper in the United States, but they have always been liberatarians on immigration, going back to their old editor Robert Bartley.

[Clemenza]

Actually, there are tons of illegal Bolivians and Paraguayans in Argentina. The people are not too happy about it, but, much as is the case in the US, the government isn’t doing much to keep them out. Ditto the Nicaraguans in Costa Rica (over 20% of the population of Costa Rica was born in Nicaragua, and remember that Costa Rica has a very genrous welfare state).

[puroresu]

I’m sure there are governments all over the world that look the other way when illegals slip into their country. That’s because either the business elite want cheap labor or the government wants a bunch of dependent voters.

But my point is this. Are borders just imaginary lines on maps which in reality we all have a right to ignore? Do you or I have a right to go to any nation we want without documentation, and not bother to follow the immigration laws of that nation? Do we have international open borders?

No one will answer that question because they understand the ramifications of it. So they have to at least pretend to support some kind of border. But at that point it falls into the “some illegal aliens are more equal than others” category. If millions of white Americans flooded into Haiti to the point that they outnumbered the blacks there and voted them out of power, the very same people who are screaming for us to “tolerate” illegal migration into America would call it genocide.

[zerosix]

This is only true of the "leaders of the Republican Party" but inside that group there is more fear and loathing of us than of the liberals in the DemocRAT Party!

What they know and, unfortunately, must deal with before there is any coronation of their "hand-picked" successor to Rudy for Republican Candidate for President inn '08, are "we the conservative people" of the United States of America.

[Clemenza]

Border are there for several goods reasons, which is why there is an INTERNATIONAL backlash against the idea of a "borderless world."

I also believe, however, that we should put alot of value on the idea of majoritarianism. Both sides like to use the argument of "population mass" and "will of the people", even though such ideals are antithetical toward ordered Republicanism. Besides, historically, and even in contemporary times, it means absolutely nothing. Alawites are a minority in Syria, Kuwaitis (and, likely, Arabs in general) are a minority in Kuwait and (closer to home) white folk are a minority in New York City, but all of these groups maintain power over these polities with little controversy. Numbers mean nothing when you can't even organize a school board meeting.

[The South Texan]

“We must elect John McCain this November and support sensible immigration reform so that the GOP can secure the Hispanic vote. Anything else and the party is finished.”

I agree. I’ve been saying we lost the Hispanic vote (which was trending GOP) because we allowed the Tancredos of the GOP to be the face of this debate. Plus we allowed some real nativists (anti Hispanics) to use this as a reason to go back to some not so great times in American history when Americans of Mexican descent were told to “go back across” which at the same time is when some racists whites told blacks to “go to the back of the bus.”

So here on FR don’t want to hear that and they’ll just lump us in with the WSJ, open borders crowd as they call them. They should go talk with the Hispanic community and ask them what they really think of illegal immigration. They wanted stoped just like most of us that are concerned about the issue. They just know that rounding them up is not going to work and it the rhetoric sounds racists. THAT IS A FACT, PEOPLE.

If FR wants the conservative movement to dwindle, we’re off to a great start. We had a good chunk of this population coming our way, but it’s a no go now.

[amihow]

WSJ is not taking into account the deep distrust and prejudice against Mormons. Further, Huckabee could not garner a lot of votes in liberal California, so McCain was their obvious choice.

Sure does not mean that they approve of his immigration stance.

WSJ is pimping for the elite corporations again. Don’t fall for it.