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GOV. Charlie Crist - LIVE ON FOX -- Taling up McCain..
FOX ^ | LIVE | David Osborne

Posted on 02/10/2008 7:28:17 PM PST by davidosborne

Sorry Gov. Crist not buying it... anyone else watcing this?

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To: TigersEye

I expect that a dem congress would come along with a dem president. That’s the pragmatic reality. They come together.

you’ll be shut out and there will be amnesty with no border and more entitlements.


121 posted on 02/10/2008 9:53:45 PM PST by ari-freedom (Pragmatism: the 4th leg of conservatism.)
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To: SoCalPol

so you were for clinton’s military escapades? That’s the first time I EVER heard of a conservative who did


122 posted on 02/10/2008 9:55:37 PM PST by ari-freedom (Pragmatism: the 4th leg of conservatism.)
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To: ari-freedom
Well that's funny because the right has been excoriating Bill Clinton for years for cutting and running in Somalia. How many times have Osama bin Laden's own words about Somalia been thrown at Clinton to show his folly and weakness on foreign policy and terrorism? bin Laden said, to paraphrase "When America left Somalia I knew they had no stomach for a fight."

Now here we have McCain on the Senate floor forcefully fighting for the policy Clinton employed. Getting in is a different issue. GHWB did that and conservatives rightly didn't like it. But once in there are consequences to tucking tail.

123 posted on 02/10/2008 9:58:23 PM PST by TigersEye (I'm a maverick. I'm sticking with conservatism.)
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To: samadams2000

you did. That’s why mccain said at cpac:
On the issue of illegal immigration, a position which provoked the outspoken opposition of many conservatives, I stood my ground aware that my position would imperil my campaign. I respect your opposition for I know that the vast majority of critics to the bill based their opposition in a principled defense of the rule of law. And while I and other Republican supporters of the bill were genuine in our intention to restore control of our borders, we failed, for various and understandable reasons, to convince Americans that we were. I accept that, and have pledged that it would be among my highest priorities to secure our borders first, and only after we achieved widespread consensus that our borders are secure, would we address other aspects of the problem in a way that defends the rule of law and does not encourage another wave of illegal immigration.
...
We have had a few disagreements, and none of us will pretend that we won’t continue to have a few. But even in disagreement, especially in disagreement, I will seek the counsel of my fellow conservatives. If I am convinced my judgment is in error, I will correct it. And if I stand by my position, even after benefit of your counsel, I hope you will not lose sight of the far more numerous occasions when we are in complete accord.


124 posted on 02/10/2008 10:04:23 PM PST by ari-freedom (Pragmatism: the 4th leg of conservatism.)
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To: ari-freedom

Clinton did a half ass in and out in Somalia
to no benefit.
That area has been a breeding ground for Al Qaida since before 9/11. The WOT has many theaters that we must win.

Here in San Diego is the largest number of Marines and Navy. We have more of a clue what is going on than
those hiding behind their port folios


125 posted on 02/10/2008 10:06:37 PM PST by SoCalPol (Don't Blame Me - I Supported Duncan Hunter)
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To: ari-freedom
so you were for clinton’s military escapades? That’s the first time I EVER heard of a conservative who did

McCAIN AND THE KLA CONNECTION

That clearly leaves McCain out. Leaving Somalia and supporting the KLA.

126 posted on 02/10/2008 10:07:30 PM PST by TigersEye (I'm a maverick. I'm sticking with conservatism.)
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To: Hoodat
Sounds like Crist is sucking up for the VP spot, and I am afraid that McCain may give it to him,

One maniac on the ticket is enough.

Governor Sunlamp is so weird he would cost votes.

"Single with no children at the age of 50, he is a renter who has never had a home mortgage or property insurance to pay. His work experience is largely limited to government. He drives a Jaguar but has few investments."

"Let's see. He doesn't own a home, doesn't pay property taxes, doesn't understand windstorm insurance, and doesn't know simple facts about the FCAT, so how can Crist expect Floridians to elect him governor?" Florida Democratic Party Chair Karen Thurman said in a statement last week. "There's a basic level of knowledge a governor must have, and Crist doesn't pass the test."

127 posted on 02/10/2008 10:09:34 PM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: SoCalPol; ari-freedom

Clinton didn’t take us into Somalia.


128 posted on 02/10/2008 10:10:00 PM PST by TigersEye (I'm a maverick. I'm sticking with conservatism.)
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To: samadams2000
Moderator: Senator McCain, Senator McCain, are you for a national, tamper-proof ID card?

McCain: That's one of the recommendations of the 9-11 Commission. And absolutely, if someone wants to work, they have to have a document that's tamper-proof. And any employer who employs someone else with any other document like a bogus Social Security card or birth certificate should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Moderator: Dr. Paul.

Paul: I am absolutely opposed to a national ID card. This is a total contradiction of what a free society is all about.

Paul: The purpose of government is to protect the secrecy and the privacy of all individuals, not the secrecy of government. We don't need a national ID card.

Moderator: Mr. Tancredo, do you agree with the need for a national tamper-proof ID card?

Tancredo: We do not need a national -- I do not think we need a national ID card, much for the reasons that Dr. Paul said. We absolutely need a verifiable Social Security card. They are two separate things. I believe that we can accomplish the former without jeopardizing individuals liberties...

Moderator: But you say legally you have to be who you say you are?

Tancredo: Pardon me?

Moderator: You have to be the person on that card.

Tancredo: That is absolutely what I'm saying. It's got to be verifiable, absolutely.

129 posted on 02/10/2008 10:12:53 PM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: TigersEye

we weren’t in control over that mission and it wasn’t about al qaeda. Clinton also refused to give armor backup to our troops. If he’s not interested in our troops then they shouldn’t be under his control.


130 posted on 02/10/2008 10:14:01 PM PST by ari-freedom (Pragmatism: the 4th leg of conservatism.)
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To: TigersEye

he brought us into battle there.


131 posted on 02/10/2008 10:19:58 PM PST by ari-freedom (Pragmatism: the 4th leg of conservatism.)
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To: TigersEye

Do to the serious situation Bush 41 just weeks before he was out of office had to start dealing with Somalia.

Clinton did his thing but as usual did not follow through and mde things worse

Friday, October 8, 1993
Clinton Orders 5,300 Troops to Somalia; Vows End in 6 Months
By John M. Broder
Los Angeles Times
WASHINGTON

President Clinton Thursday ordered 5,300 new combat troops and an aircraft carrier to Somalia “to protect our troops and to complete our mission,” and at the same time he announced that he would bring all American combat forces home by March 31.


132 posted on 02/10/2008 10:21:04 PM PST by SoCalPol (Don't Blame Me - I Supported Duncan Hunter)
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To: Rome2000

a national ID card (which is what a social security card is, right tanc?) could help with attrition. But it will take time and we have to accept that.


133 posted on 02/10/2008 10:25:28 PM PST by ari-freedom (Pragmatism: the 4th leg of conservatism.)
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To: ari-freedom
The tamper proof ID card is the most effective way of stopping the employment of illegal aliens.

It should have been implemented already, but until now neither party is really serious about ending the problem.

McCain just might surprise us.

134 posted on 02/10/2008 10:31:14 PM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: SoCalPol; ari-freedom
All those things both of you said are true. But we were in Somalia, for better or worse, because GHWB put us there. Once you commit troops things happen. When troops are on the ground, for whatever reason, and they take fire you can back them or retreat. In typical Clinton style he did neither.

But the point I was making remains. McCain pushed for a quick pullout which is what Clinton has taken flak for from the right ever since. His arguments sound like Moveon.org talking points on Iraq. He talks about "I don't support nation building." But now he's four square behind the mission in Iraq which is nation building. You can't have it both ways on your boy McCain even if he can in his record. Homey ain't buying that.

135 posted on 02/10/2008 10:34:37 PM PST by TigersEye (I'm a maverick. I'm sticking with conservatism.)
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To: SoCalPol
Do to the serious situation Bush 41 just weeks before he was out of office had to start dealing with Somalia.

It's really off topic; but why? What was U.S. national interest in the warlord country of Somalia then?

136 posted on 02/10/2008 10:36:35 PM PST by TigersEye (I'm a maverick. I'm sticking with conservatism.)
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To: ari-freedom

*But it will take time and we have to accept that.*

Is your city ready to help support the illegals in my city.
There is no time left.
I am sitting 15 miles north of the largest and busiest border crossing in the world.
The tens of thousands of illeglas here and the street battles going on just south of me along with the kidnappings, beheadings, drug cartels, etc. is getting old.
The Mexican gangs here along with their culture overriding
our American culture is also getting old.


137 posted on 02/10/2008 10:40:21 PM PST by SoCalPol (Don't Blame Me - I Supported Duncan Hunter)
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To: ari-freedom
a national ID card (which is what a social security card is, right tanc?) could help with attrition. But it will take time and we have to accept that.

I don't buy that either. We have National Instant Check System(NICS) for firearms purchases and it took no time at all to set that up. There isn't even a unified system like SS for NICS to be drawn from. It was cobbled together from FBI, ATF and local police databases.

138 posted on 02/10/2008 10:41:20 PM PST by TigersEye (I'm a maverick. I'm sticking with conservatism.)
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To: TigersEye

Another Al Qaida area. The Horn of Africa is just as much
a problem area as the Middle East.
OBL at one time was living in Sudan.

Again, one of the theaters of the WOT

Just like when Pearl Harbor was bombed, we also found ourselves fighting in North Africa.

Looking at situations through a drinking straw brings more problems.
You have to see the big picture


139 posted on 02/10/2008 10:47:05 PM PST by SoCalPol (Don't Blame Me - I Supported Duncan Hunter)
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To: ari-freedom

that explains why he called the Bush tax cuts, tax cuts for the rich...and why he said greedy people on Wall Street need to be punished...and why he spoke out against repealing the estate tax...


140 posted on 02/10/2008 10:49:04 PM PST by Def Conservative (If conservatives lose the primary battle, we should write in Reagan in November.)
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