Posted on 02/10/2008 6:00:34 AM PST by justkillingtime
A woman in her late teens died from an acute asthma attack triggered by secondhand cigarette smoke shortly after arriving at her job as a waitress in a bar in Michigan, researchers reported on Friday.
(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...
LOL
Wouldn't that be a girl in her late teens?
...died from an acute asthma attack triggered by secondhand cigarette smoke shortly after arriving at her job as a waitress in a bar...
So you're telling me she interviewed there and couldn't smell the smoke? And if she had asthma don't you think she could have found a better suited job than a bar waitress?
For an asthmatic to work in a potentially very smoke-filled environment...is just as stupid.
We all do stupid things...some are fatal.
The anti-smoking movement may have just found their Len Bias.
and why, exactly, would i now, after 7 active years on this forum begin to lie about what i do? go back and see my posts. that should be all the proof you need. no matter what i say here all you have to do is keep typing "LOL" like a monkey and try to bait me.
and why is it so hard to believe a cop could go to school and have a 2nd job? i know a lot of other guys who do it and they work full time, unlike me. my cop job doesnt pay enough to raise a family so a ton of guys have side gigs. you obviously live in mayberry or somewhere. in real life, people who work hard get what's coming to them.
I have chronic asthma.. and the fire works have sent me to the ER.. but alas, I just dont go out doors any more on the 4th of july evening....you would think this young lady had to know that smoke bothered her asthma..
LOL
go back and see my posts. that should be all the proof you need. no matter what i say here all you have to do is keep typing "LOL" like a monkey and try to bait me.
You seem to be taking the bait. After all, you CLAIMED you had reading to do for class, and yet here you are, still posting.
Do you think revenge for uncivil behavior is a valid reason to restrict property rights?
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn’t a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
How can you make this statement having been less than two months?
I have been here a little longer and this place is no worse than it ever was.
tell me how this restricts property rights. i’m just asking.
I have been lurking here for some years now. But maybe you’re right; maybe people on this forum have always been unsympathetic. It’s easier to be critical when we are anonymous and are writing about people we don’t know personally. I don’t ordinarily have tons of sympathy to expend on Darwin candidates myself, but for a young girl who died, I wish folks could be more understanding.
Sorry, but every one who is new says that. Nobody believes it.
But maybe you’re right; maybe people on this forum have always been unsympathetic.
She should have found other employment. As someone pointed out above this is just like someone allergic to peanuts working in Mr. Peanuts factory. If anything this is closer to suicide than anything else, if it is real at all.
It’s easier to be critical when we are anonymous and are writing about people we don’t know personally.
Eaker is my name. Not too hard to look up. There would be no FR if people could only post about people they know. This is just plain silly.
I don’t ordinarily have tons of sympathy to expend on Darwin candidates myself, but for a young girl who died, I wish folks could be more understanding.
Would you let your asthmatic child work in a smoky environment? It is not like she was making a ton of money so she simply should have worked somewhere else.
I am especially angry if her stupidity helps the smoke nazi cause.
How is that for compassion?
Bar owners and many other businesses are losing customers like me. I used to love to go shoot pool and have a few beers with friends. I solved this by buying a pool table and staying home. We also don't have drinks after dinner. We eat and get the hell out. Restaurants make a lot of money of drinks. They have lost this too.
the person still owns the bar/restaurant. perhaps their business is being negatively impacted, but it is YOU who is negatively impacting it by not staying. if you truly cared about the bar owners well-being, you'd stay and wait a few minutes for your next smoke or simply go outside and return in a couple of minutes.
and bar owners are able to build enclosed smoking areas if they wish. but they are subject to laws as they are operating under state liquor licenses, cabaret licenses, etc... and are granted the ability to sell alcohol by the state. they know the deal when they open their place.
restaurants do make an obscene amount of money on booze. i do not feel any hurt for the bars in which i work. they make their money back after about 4 shots from a bottle.
if they are selling less, then they can reduce overhead in terms of staff and inventory perhaps.
as i said, i am not for or against a smoking ban. i went to bars when there were no bans and i go to bars now. i just come home smelling better now. but if they took away the ban tomorrow, i wouldn't cry about it. i'd just adjust my habits to accommodate.
Shouldn’t they at least have posted a picture of her with the article? The article does state “There’s are alot of blah blah blah about second hand smoke...here is a human face...” Where’s the human face MSNBC?
On May 1, 2004,... The bar was divided into two separate areas, the bar area with limited seating and a room with a disc jockey (DJ) booth. When the victim arrived at work at 9:45 p.m., she talked with the DJ who was setting up in the adjacent room, then walked about 25 feet to an open section of the bar.
No individuals were in the room with the DJ. According to the owner, the bar was not “overly smoky”. Shortly after the victim went behind the bar, she grabbed the bar manager, saying she needed to get to the hospital and that she needed fresh air. The victim said she wished she had her inhaler with her. As the two walked out from behind the bar and toward the back door, the victim collapsed onto the dance floor. The bar patrons were asked if anyone had an inhaler. Someone did, and the victim attempted to use the inhaler, but was unable to do so.
According to the medical examiner’s report, the victim’s father had seen her at 9:30 p.m. and stated she was having breathing problems at that time.
According to the owner, she had not previously had an asthma attack at work.
The cause of death as stated on the death certificate was status asthmaticus. A medical examiner report and toxicology results were not obtained.
Sure.
Generally speaking, a property owner has the right to possess, use, and control his own property as he sees fit. This includes deciding who he wishes to allow on his property, what activities he does on his property, and the kind of environment he maintains on his property. Any law that restricts the range of choices of the property owner in how he uses his property would be a restriction of his property rights.
Obviously, property rights can not be unlimited. There are certain instances where a restriction in property rights may be called for. However, any restrictions should have significant justification and should extend only as far as is necessary to achieve the legitimate end. Well, at least that's how conservatives think.
So prohibiting a business owner from allowing smoking on his property would be a restriction of his property rights. So far I've never heard anyone give an adequate justification for the kind of broad smoking bans that have been popping up across the nation.
Now that I have answered your question, would you mind sharing your own position concerning smoking bans on private property? (IOW, would you vote for or against a ban in your community?)
I’m SO not surprised. I’m still, of course, very sorry about the young woman’s death.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.