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A Heartfelt Appeal for a Graceful Exit (Right to Die)
The New York Times ^
| February 5, 2008
| JANE E. BRODY
Posted on 02/06/2008 4:27:00 PM PST by SubGeniusX
After reading the Personal Health column on Nov. 27 on preventing geriatric suicide, Gloria C. Phares, a 93-year-old retired teacher in Missouri, wrote:
“I was healthy until 90, and then Boom! Atrial fibrillation; deaf, can’t enjoy music or hear a voice unless 10 inches from my ear; fell, fractured my thigh and am now a cripple; had a slight stroke the day after my beloved husband died after 61 years of marriage.
“I’ve lived a happy life, but from here on out it’s all downhill. Is there any point in my living any longer? I’m not living — just existing. I very much want to die, but our society doesn’t let me. Oh for a pill to ease myself out and end my pain, pain, pain.”
As this column said in November, untreated depression is a common cause of suicide in older people, though by no means the only one. But when I spoke to Mrs. Phares’s son Michael, with her permission, he assured me that she was not depressed, just tired of living what she views as a pointless and painful existence. He suggested to her, not entirely in jest, that she move to Oregon or the Netherlands, where physician-assisted suicide is legal.
Modern medicine can keep people alive into their 9th and 10th decades, when in years past they would have succumbed to any number of conditions. Now a small but growing number of these people are asking why. What is the point of living so long if you can no longer enjoy living? What is the point of living until your mind turns to marshmallow and you are reduced to an existence that is less than human?
(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...
TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: assistedsuicide; bioethics; euthanasia; moralabsolutes; prolife; righttodie; selfdetermination
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To: PubliusMM
Living Wills, Final Instructions, and documents such as these will help the decision making by family and guardians in the event of catastrophic illness or injury that leaves one unable to communicate wishes or desires.
However, we do not afford the same to people still able to communicate.
This should be a decision between the individual and their medical practitioner(s). It’s not a government issue.Ding, Ding, Ding!!! We Have Winner!!!!
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posted on
02/06/2008 4:48:32 PM PST
by
SubGeniusX
(The People have Unenumerated Rights, The Government does not have Unenumerated Powers!)
To: TenthAmendmentChampion; 230FMJ; 49th; 50mm; 69ConvertibleFirebird; Aleighanne; Alexander Rubin; ...
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posted on
02/06/2008 4:49:43 PM PST
by
wagglebee
("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
To: 8mmMauser
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posted on
02/06/2008 4:50:47 PM PST
by
wagglebee
("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
To: SubGeniusX
Painless suicide is the easiest thing in the world to do.
Charcoal grill, small bathroom.
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posted on
02/06/2008 4:50:55 PM PST
by
TASMANIANRED
(TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
To: SubGeniusX
The “right to die” will, instantaneously, morph into the “duty to die.”
Statists would love for the state to control who lives or dies. The “right to die” will allow them that control. It will be a grotesque nightmare.
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posted on
02/06/2008 4:52:06 PM PST
by
Skooz
(Any nation that would elect Hildebeast as its president has forfeited its right to exist)
To: happinesswithoutpeace
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posted on
02/06/2008 4:54:06 PM PST
by
SubGeniusX
(The People have Unenumerated Rights, The Government does not have Unenumerated Powers!)
To: PubliusMM
This should be a decision between the individual and their medical practitioner(s). Itâs not a government issue.
I agree, further more a compassionate end of life decision, is not a culture of death as some would call it.
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posted on
02/06/2008 5:00:38 PM PST
by
Mark was here
(The earth is bipolar.)
To: Skooz
The “right to die” will, instantaneously, morph into the “duty to die.” Nice attempt at Reductio ad absurdum.
Statists would love for the state to control who lives or dies...
The Statists already have this control... by NOT allowing Physician Assisted Suicide.
As I stated before there is a HUGE difference between PAS and State sponsored euthanasia.
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posted on
02/06/2008 5:02:25 PM PST
by
SubGeniusX
(The People have Unenumerated Rights, The Government does not have Unenumerated Powers!)
To: Skooz
NOW we have a winner....so many never see the bigger picture...
Look up the fabian movement...
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posted on
02/06/2008 5:05:21 PM PST
by
Crim
(Dont frak with the Zeitgeist....)
To: SubGeniusX
Reductio ad absurdum?
Not a chance. Nice try.
The difference between “difference between PAS and State sponsored euthanasia” exists only in your delusions.
There is a reason the elderly are petrified of going to the hospital in the Netherlands. It’s because they have the “right to die.” No one knows how many have exercised their “right to die” against their wishes. But, I have seen estimates in the tens of thousands. No thanks.
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posted on
02/06/2008 5:06:50 PM PST
by
Skooz
(Any nation that would elect Hildebeast as its president has forfeited its right to exist)
To: hoagy62
Do you have a verse from the Bible to back that up?
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posted on
02/06/2008 5:08:39 PM PST
by
Paul Heinzman
(Mr. Reagan I wish you were here. The country's changed a lot in twenty years.)
To: hoagy62
The rules are simple: How I live or die is none of your concern. Butt out. My life and death belong to me and my personal walk with God. You are not my Holy Spirit. It's of no concern to you, the state, the church, the courts or anyone else.
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posted on
02/06/2008 5:16:35 PM PST
by
Drango
(A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
To: PubliusMM
Ill take the libertarian stance on this one. This should be a decision between the individual and their medical practitioner(s). Its not a government issue.Bump.
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posted on
02/06/2008 5:17:45 PM PST
by
fanfan
("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
To: SubGeniusX
The slope is too slippery to start down: before you know it the state is deciding who should die and when they should die. The state is deciding whose life is productive and worthwhile.
Modern medicine can keep people alive into their 9th and 10th decades, when in years past they would have succumbed to any number of conditions.
This says it all....look at the upside down, backward logic...people in the past didn't live that long so therefore no one should today? These people would have died in the past so they shouldn't live today? That's just nuts. The life expectancy for a male in 1900 was 49 years! Would she rather that we kept medicine at a standstill and all die by age 50?!
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posted on
02/06/2008 5:18:41 PM PST
by
socialismisinsidious
( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
To: SubGeniusX
What does she mean “society won’t let me die”? There is a big difference between refusing extraordinary treatment, which is every individual’s right, and actively killing yourself, which is suicide and should never be facilitated by a doctor or the state. At her age and in her condition, sounds like all she needs to do is stop whatever medicines she’s on and she would die naturally.
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posted on
02/06/2008 5:19:03 PM PST
by
baa39
To: Paul Heinzman
I meant the living will part, not the life beginning at conception part. I want a Biblical reference indicating that it is a sin to die on your own terms. Killing an unborn child is most certainly a sin, and one has only to read the book of Exodus to know that.
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posted on
02/06/2008 5:28:22 PM PST
by
Paul Heinzman
(Mr. Reagan I wish you were here. The country's changed a lot in twenty years.)
To: Paul Heinzman
the word suicide is not in the Bible...
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posted on
02/06/2008 5:31:21 PM PST
by
Chode
(American Hedonist ©®)
To: TASMANIANRED
Except for being in a war zone, I've seen people die every way it's possible to go out. Accidental and deliberate overdoses, stabbed, shot by shotguns, .22s, .45s, run over, car wrecks, motorcycle wrecks, airplane crashes, hit by trains, run over by motorboats, drowned, burned, gas tank explosion, stroke, heart attack, electrocuted, falling off cliffs, jumping off cliffs, trapped in machinery, suffocated while masturbating, internal bleeding, smoke inhalation, acid fume inhalation, CO inhalation, and several other ways.
The best way in the world to die still sucks. You may quote me.
This woman is going through a hard time of life. She's lost her life partner and doesn't want to be here anymore. When we give in to assisted suicide, we also open the door to state mandated suicide, and also to approval of suicide by people who are simply going through temporary depression. I wish I was smart enough to know the answer, but it's for better minds than mine.
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posted on
02/06/2008 5:31:29 PM PST
by
Richard Kimball
(Sure, they'd love to kill me, as long as they can do it without admitting I exist)
To: Crim
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posted on
02/06/2008 5:34:00 PM PST
by
Ann Archy
(Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
To: Richard Kimball
I agree with you totally. No form of death is an attractive option.
My point was....Why do you require that another person participate in your suicide?
And why run to the press about it?
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posted on
02/06/2008 5:35:21 PM PST
by
TASMANIANRED
(TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
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