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Nazis responsible for Katyn massacre, says Russian daily
thenews.pl ^ | 04.02.2008

Posted on 02/06/2008 11:41:02 AM PST by lizol

Nazis responsible for Katyn massacre, says Russian daily

04.02.2008 19:20

The Russian Nezavisimaya Gazieta daily claims that the Soviet NKVD secret police could not possibly have been responsible for the mass murder of over 20,000 Polish officers in 1940.

The author of the article Aleksandr Shirokorad claims that the massacre could not have possibly been the doing of the NKVD since the ropes used for tying the victims' wrists and bullets were not those used by the NKVD.

He also claims that the shooting technique used was apparently alien to the NKVD.

Contrary to most historians opinions, the murders, claims Shirokorad, must have been the work of the Nazis.

There has already been a series of four articles in the Russian press questioning the truth about Katyn events recently, the last one being inspired by the Oscar nomination for Andrzej Wajda's film Katyn.

Moscow has refused to define the murders in Russia and Ukraine as ‘genocide’ or regard them as war crimes.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: katyn; poland; russia; soviet
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1 posted on 02/06/2008 11:41:05 AM PST by lizol
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2 posted on 02/06/2008 11:43:32 AM PST by lizol (Liberal - a man with his mind open ... at both ends)
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3 posted on 02/06/2008 11:44:28 AM PST by rfp1234 (Phodopus campbelli: household ruler since July 2007.)
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To: lizol
The nazis did a lot of horrible stuff. But they were actually the ones who found these mass graves and invited forensic scientists from around the world to examine the evidence less than two years after the discovery.

This was a Russian NKVD crime by all conclusive evidence.

Don't you feel warm and fuzzy about another Clinton in the white house just as the Russians embark on another attempt to rewrite this history?

4 posted on 02/06/2008 11:46:30 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: lizol

I believe ‘em, the Russians knew nothing about mass killings afterall.

/sarc


5 posted on 02/06/2008 11:47:11 AM PST by driftdiver
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To: lizol

Speaking of which,....whatever happened to FReeper “KatynForest”, my spelling of the username might be off.


6 posted on 02/06/2008 11:52:05 AM PST by Cvengr (Fear sees the problem emotion never solves. Faith sees & accepts the solution, problem solved.)
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To: lizol

No lie is too pathetic for the Russians to try.


7 posted on 02/06/2008 11:52:38 AM PST by ozzymandus
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To: lizol

Wow Russian who lie and make up things. Who would have thought it possible?

What a bunch of crap. They know the NKVD did it.


8 posted on 02/06/2008 11:54:31 AM PST by packrat35 (Politicians would be less worthless if they were edible, or usable for packing wheel bearings.)
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To: lizol
Liberals, commies, socialist scum lie. What next: Stalin was a nice guy?


9 posted on 02/06/2008 11:57:23 AM PST by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: lizol

Some things never change.

He needs to go check the Soviet archives. There he can find the memo from Beria recommending liquidation and Stalin’s marginal note approving same. All predates Germany’s Operation Barbarossa by many months.

And, it seems funny that the Germans would use Soviet ammunition to execute the Poles.

In 1943, after the Germans found the corpses, they paraded a bunch of American POW’s out to the site. The American POWs knew they were being used as propaganda tools by the Germans and refused to publicly acknowledge German claims of the Soviet atrocity. However, privately they all believed the Germans were right and the Soviets were responsible. This was related in Alexander Werth’s “Russia at War.” Werth was very sympathetic to the Russians.


10 posted on 02/06/2008 11:58:41 AM PST by henkster (Go to the local welfare office or BMV to see what government health care will be like.)
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To: lizol

Yeah. Let’s rehash that.


11 posted on 02/06/2008 12:05:04 PM PST by isrul
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To: lizol

It’s funny how they can still be in denial over this. Gorbachev admitted it and Yeltsin released all the papers proving it.


12 posted on 02/06/2008 12:05:45 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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The problem is - those morons maintain, that the NKVD documents with Stalin’s signatures on them, presented by Yeltsin to Walesa, must have been falsified.


13 posted on 02/06/2008 12:21:42 PM PST by lizol (Liberal - a man with his mind open ... at both ends)
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The Poles know very well what happened and who did it. Putin’s only going to be able to convince the ignorant. This blatantly false claim will keep the Poles from ever shaking his hand.


14 posted on 02/06/2008 12:25:35 PM PST by chopperman
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They did it on purpose.

Polish Prime Minister is going to visit Moscow this Friday.
And such a statement in such circumstances can’t be a coincidence

15 posted on 02/06/2008 12:33:29 PM PST by lizol (Liberal - a man with his mind open ... at both ends)
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Moscow has refused to define the murders in Russia and Ukraine as ‘genocide’ or regard them as war crimes.

Well, they're right about one thing: the massacre wasn't a genocide, which is the wholesale murder of a whole people. If the NKVD had attempted to murder all Poles, it would be a genocide. It was, however, a war crime, and an aggregious one at that.

16 posted on 02/06/2008 1:09:07 PM PST by curiosity
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To: lizol

I remember seeing a reproduction of the SIGNAL magazine showing the finding of the site. Brutal.


17 posted on 02/06/2008 1:36:11 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Only infidel blood can quench Muslim thirst-- Abdul-Jalil Nazeer al-Karouri)
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To: curiosity

Well, they’re right about one thing: the massacre wasn’t a genocide, which is the wholesale murder of a whole people.

True, but doesn’t the killing of almost an entire peoples intelligencia ammount to a surgical genocide against that
people as a nation?

Anyway how clever of those Nazis, first they sneak 14,000 polish prisoners out of soviet prisoner of war camps then
kill and bury them on land controlled at the time by soviet forces, amazing! On land I might add that was the site of a
KGB “rest house”.


18 posted on 02/06/2008 4:05:29 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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“...since the ropes used for tying the victims’ wrists and bullets were not those used by the NKVD.”

Right the NKVD used other ropes and bullets on their victims......hahahahah.

Note, “KGB” rest house actually NKVD.


19 posted on 02/06/2008 4:08:19 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: lizol

It wasn’t a genocide. It was a war crime. The goal wasn’t to eradicate the Poles as a people — that would have been genocide. The goal was to eliminate military officers, the intelligentsia, all the obvious candidates to lead Poland — except the Communists. From the moment the war began, the USSR was planning for its aftermath, and they used the fog of war to cover up knocking their opponents off the playing field.

I’m not surprised that some Russians are trying to revisit the accepted version of facts on Katyn — no one wants to think his country could do what the Soviets, in fact, did.


20 posted on 02/06/2008 4:15:44 PM PST by ReignOfError
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