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Term limit initiative rejected by voters { Prop 93 }
Sacramento Bee ^ | 2/6/8 | Jim Sanders

Posted on 02/06/2008 7:49:19 AM PST by SmithL

An initiative to alter legislative terms while giving lame duck incumbents a reprieve headed down to defeat as the statewide count continued to grow Wednesday morning.

As of 7 a.m., with about 95 percent of precincts reporting, Proposition 93 was trailing by six percentage points – 53 percent to 47 percent.

Both sides remained cautiously optimistic late Tuesday night.

"I'm hopeful, but I've never been willing to declare victory," said Kevin Spillane, spokesman for No on 93.

Spillane attributed the tight vote, in part, to confusion by voters over whether Proposition 93 would tighten or loosen term limits. Opponents claim the latter.

"Voters who were aware of what the initiative did were strongly against it," Spillane said.

Former state Controller Steve Westly, spokesman for Yes on 93, said voters responded to the message that tweaking term limits would make the Legislature more effective.

"Would it magically make our legislators better? No," he said. "But would it give them a chance to develop expertise in key areas? Absolutely."

Westly noted that the Yes on 93 campaign was beating poll predictions that had the measure losing by up to 15 percentage points.

"This is shaping up to be the upset of the election," he said.

Shortly before midnight, the measure was trailing in Sacramento, Yolo, Placer and El Dorado counties.

Statewide, Proposition 93 was leading in San Francisco and, by a razor-thin margin, in San Diego County. It was losing in Los Angeles and Orange counties.

At stake immediately was the future of dozens of lawmakers, including Assembly Speaker Fabian Núñez and Senate President Pro Tem Don Perata, who are scheduled to be termed out of office on Dec. 1.

(Excerpt) Read more at sacbee.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: hallelujah; nunez; perata; phonytermlimits; prop93; smartvoters; termlimits
State Insurance Commissioner Steve Poizner, who led the fight against Proposition 93 and chipped in $2.5 million of his personal fortune, appears Tuesday night at the GOP election party at the Westgate Hotel in San Diego. The proposal to alter legislative term limits trailed by a slim margin late Tuesday.
1 posted on 02/06/2008 7:49:24 AM PST by SmithL
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To: NormsRevenge
Núñez and PeRATa are Lame Ducks Ping.
2 posted on 02/06/2008 7:52:07 AM PST by SmithL (My tagline dropped out)
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To: SmithL

3 posted on 02/06/2008 7:53:09 AM PST by B Knotts (If McCain wins, we lose.)
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To: SmithL
"Would it magically make our legislators better? No," he said. "But would it give them a chance to develop expertise in key areas? Absolutely."

Legislators only "develop expertise" in how to game the system. We don't want that. ;)

4 posted on 02/06/2008 7:56:36 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: SmithL

If you desire continuing term limits, you voted NO on the proposition....it was slippery wording.


5 posted on 02/06/2008 7:59:47 AM PST by ErnBatavia (...forward this to your 10 very best friends....)
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To: SmithL
CAlifornia voters saw through Proposition 93. Now Fabian Nunez and Don Perata are lame ducks. They rejected it despite Governator Red Arnold's endorsement of the term limits fraud - it would have scrapped rather than tightened term limits.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

6 posted on 02/06/2008 8:02:53 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

Good riddance to those two!


7 posted on 02/06/2008 8:13:28 AM PST by rom (I voted for Ron Paul.)
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To: ErnBatavia

If I remember correctly, the wording came from Attorney General Jerry “Moonbeam” Brown.


8 posted on 02/06/2008 8:22:51 AM PST by SmithL (My tagline dropped out)
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To: SmithL

To Tom and the rest of the CRA.

Thanks for all your efforts to introduce and nurture concepts like sanity and fiscal responsibility in gubamint..

Time to start a new party.


9 posted on 02/06/2008 8:42:50 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: SmithL

State legislators outsmarted themselves. If they had paired the term-loosening initiative with true redistricting reform, to create fair and competitive state and federal districts with a mechanism for objective future redistricting, I think this would have passed. But the voters understand that in the absence of honest districting, term limits are the only way to dig entrenched politicians out of office.


10 posted on 02/06/2008 8:53:05 AM PST by dpwiener
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To: SmithL
But would it give them a chance to develop expertise in key areas? Absolutely

Would it stop them from pontificating over issues over which they have no expertise, or discourage them from blindly allocating money in the hapless attempt to solve poorly understood socioeconomic problems? Absolutely not.

11 posted on 02/06/2008 8:57:38 AM PST by monkeyshine
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To: monkeyshine

My guess is that they will pull an Klitoon and run their wives.


12 posted on 02/06/2008 9:00:32 AM PST by Oldexpat
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To: SmithL
They tried to fool us but CA's fortunately saw through it.

Well done, Steve Poizner.

13 posted on 02/06/2008 9:24:40 AM PST by newzjunkey (Don't Blame Me, I Voted For FRed.)
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To: SmithL

The proposition votes are a faint light of hope for our state. Thank God!


14 posted on 02/06/2008 11:35:55 AM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Global warming is to Revelations as the theory of evolution is to Genesis.)
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