Posted on 02/05/2008 8:59:24 AM PST by Williams
John McCain would be worse for the country than Clinton or Obama. Republicans would unite and oppose them. They would not be effective in opposing McCain who would be the defacto head of the party. We would get liberal policy and the blame for it at the same time.
I can never, no make that NEVER vote for John McCain. Myself I will be writing in Ronald Reagan as a statement for my conservative values. I invite other true conservatives to do the same if McCain is the nominee. If Ronald Reagan recieved enough write in votes to cost McCain the election and make the Democrat a minority president, the Republican party would have to recognize it. True conservatives in Congress would notice and would be emboldened to take back the leadership.
It was Reagan in ‘80, maybe it is time for Reagan in ‘08.
Stay away the personalities, and work on your party’s platform. That begins on a local level.
It think that during Bush’s first term, Karl Rove had the conservative coalition working together. That showed in the 2002 and 2004 elections, in which increasing numbers of conservatives, especially Southern Evangelicals, came out to vote Republican.
As many as 10 million of them voted in 2004 who had stayed home in earlier elections, because there had been an attitude among some Evangelicals that there was no point in messing with politics, because politics were irredeemably corrupted. So, better to withdraw from the world and focus on your faith.
Unfortunately, that coalition started to fall apart right after the election. Bush came in with incredible momentum and support, and gradually threw it all away. One of the first defining moments was the Miers fiasco, when Bush (with Laura’s urging) put Harriet Miers forward for the second SCOTUS position, sending out Rove to assure Evangelical leadership that she was one of them. But it turned out she wasn’t. She was a feminist with a very dubious record, and apparently pro choice in many of her earlier statements, which they tried to bury.
That was more Andy Card’s doing than Rove’s, but it was a huge mistake, putting personal friendship for Miers above concern for whether she was suited for the job.
Then it was one thing after another. Bush was firm on right-to-life issues, but wobbly on almost everything else, and it appeared that once again Evangelicals had been USED.
If Bush and the RNC and the conservative community had worked together, they could have worked toward a more acceptable slate of candidates. But Bush has been largely discredited, and moreover appears to be in a continuing snit about giving citizenship to illegals. Apparently, he still prefers an “establishment” candidate like McCain even though McCain has spent many years poking Bush in they eye.
Conservatives simply weren’t ready for this. Last time around, they were consulted by the RNC and the powers that be. This time around it’s total confusion.
So, what do you do? I personally WILL NOT VOTE for Huckabee or McCain. Nor will I vote for hillary. But the country will be better off with an enemy we can fight than an enemy who controls the Republican party. Who do we turn to with McCain in the White House? The Democrats?
I probably would hold my nose and vote for Romney, if that is the choice. But never for McCain. Never. Unfortunately, I doubt that Romney is electable, as Fred probably would have been. But you have to confront the situation as it is, one step at a time.
You will see commercials such as atom bomb to scared us conservatives back in the fold, to be good Republican afraid of the Hillary boogeyman. A leopard can’t change his spots, and neither can a liberal.
Why is this conservative never voting for McCain?
He’s poked out both of my eyes.
He’s stabbed me in the back.
He’s ran over me and now I’m in wheel chair.
He’s helped me lose my job.
He’s made me cold in the winter?
He’s making it hard for me to have gas for my car.
He’s made my liberal enemies happy.
He’s helping people kill baby stem cell.
He’s wanting to bring terrorists out of Cuba, to America, so we have to worry about them blowing up our jails.
He’s takes away my Freedom of Speech.
He lies to me.
He takes my money from me.
He’ say the f word to me.
He’s a member of a gang, so called gang of 12.
He wanted to run with John Kerry as Vp.
He believes like Al Gore.
He thinks Hillary would be a good President. I agree with him that she would be better than him.
I will never vote John McCain and will vote against him.
The expression “jump the shark” has jumped the shark.
Back in 2000 the Republicans barely won with George Bush and most conservatives rallied behind him.
If 2008 you believe that Republicans will win with John McCain if we all just hold our noses and vote for him? You believe that and that people who has made politics their living like Rush, Beck, Levin, Coulter, Hannity is stupid.
I would suggest you really listen to what they are saying because they are telling you the truth.
As the first couple of posters stated, I think you don’t quite understand.
While many of us will argue finer points on many things, we all stand on PRINCIPLE first. This is something that a lot of the Republican party has gotten away from doing in recent years, and a plan that the Democrats followed and deliberately did a long, long time ago.
Democrats have made a concerted effort to push this country as far left as it could, towards socialism — to the POINT that I’ve heard some of the calling conservative talk shows and BRAGGING about how well they’ve done.
The Republican party - well, some of the Leaders therein - have tried desperately to show they are “working with the other side” by continual compromise.
The same thing has happened to our society for the last 30 years, every time some Liberal whines about “name calling” or calls someone a “nazi” because they disagree with someone on the Right, the Right wing person tries to tone down what they are saying for fear of offending something.
I’m sick of that crap. I think we need to start offending Muslims, Liberals, Socialists, Big Government Nannies, and our busybody neighbors all the TIME. Piss them OFF. Make them MAD. Make them blow a GASKET.
Instead of giving in, and going along with the rest of the “sheep”.
So, in answer to your question - Free Republic isn’t just a forum or a place to visit, it’s a lot of INDIVIDUALS who have their own, personal beliefs (and while we might not all agree with one another 100 percent all the time - and that’s a GOOD thing) we DO for the most part have a general standing with our beliefs and those aren’t going to change just because Jim Robinson says “Do this or believe that”.
He’s one person in the group, and while he might have his own beliefs, like the rest of us he stands on principle too.
So, if YOU stand on your OWN you won’t go wrong. Just don’t GO LEFT.
There's your answer.
Wouldn't it have been more accurate to not vote in the who did you vote for poll, until after you actually voted?
You aren't required to vote in every FR poll, you know...
We have allowed the DNC to berate conservatives by calling us ‘right wingnuts’ etc.
Howard Dean’s statement “I hate Republicans and everything they stand for” was allowed to stand unchallenged.
It has taken 20 years for the left to teach voters to ‘hate’ our principles, telling them that they can cure the chaos in their lives. Well, that ‘chaos’ is actually Freedom.
I am too independent to be leashed to a party. I could care less about victory in the Republican party because I care too much for my nation. So I will direct my attention to other candidates for other offices that embrace ‘pro growth’ policies. If McCain HAS to be elected, let it be known that party loyalty is not required. Votes to uphold classic Jeffersonian liberalism are!
No I have no exit speech planned, I love Free Republic, I am addicted to Free Republic. But singing the praises of Hilary is not the same as denouncing McCain. Singing the praises of Hilary is support of liberal democrats. Obviously, I think.
I like it. Or home of the new FreeConservative party.
I encourage you to write in Ronald Reagan. I would like to see it as a national movement. Why pick between bad choices. Send a message to the Republican Party and fellow conservatives.
Welcome home...
One can only hope.
The RULZ!!!!
You make some excellent points about the Bush record.
Personally, I think Bush did more to destroy the conservative movement and GOP than McCain could ever do. He was barely competent on many issues, put personal loyalty ahead of competence on others, couldn’t effectively articulate conservative values to save his life and did more to destroy the GOP brand than any president in this century, including perhaps, Nixon.
We have McCain right now because, right or wrong, he comes off as the “anti-Bush,” and Bush was a disaster on so many fronts.
Substitute "screw the pooch."
So let it be written; so let it be done
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