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Utah's Mormons loathe Huckabee
Politico ^ | 2/04/2008 | Richard T. Cullen

Posted on 02/04/2008 8:20:41 PM PST by JRochelle

Of all the possible Super Tuesday outcomes, one is more certain than any other: Mike Huckabee will not carry the state of Utah.

In large part it’s because Mitt Romney, a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the man credited with saving the Salt Lake City Olympics, is more popular here than in any other state.

But the other reason is that overwhelmingly Mormon Utah has taken a profound dislike to the Southern Baptist preacher best known for his nice-guy persona.

The wellspring of Huckabee hate is a now-famous Dec. 16 New York Times Magazine interview in which the former Arkansas governor, in an “innocent voice,” is reported to have asked, “Don’t Mormons ... believe that Jesus and the devil are brothers?”

To Mormons, Huckabee’s eyebrow-raising question represented not only a gross distortion of their beliefs but also a carefully calculated move by a Christian politician who surely knew better.

Huckabee’s remark prompted Romney to call the comments “just not the American way” on NBC’s “Today” show.

Huckabee quickly apologized, saying that Romney’s Mormonism had nothing to do with whether he should be president. With that, the candidates and the national media moved on to other topics.

In Utah, however, all was not forgiven.

“There is a feeling that Huckabee has exploited a lot of the anti-Mormon sentiment,” said LaVarr Webb, a political consultant and publisher in Utah.

“The feeling is that he would certainly know the answers to these questions that he’s been asking sometimes,” said Chuck Gates, assistant managing editor of Utah’s Deseret Morning News.

According to Webb and other state political insiders interviewed by Politico, many Mormons maintain that Huckabee’s apology did not go nearly far enough.

Quin Monson, assistant director of the Center for the Study of Elections and Democracy at Brigham Young University, says many observers believe that “evangelicals have rejected Romney, and that Huckabee is aiding and abetting that. ... He’s egging it on.”

As it turns out, this isn’t the first time that Huckabee has rubbed Utahans the wrong way. In the summer of 1998, then-Arkansas Gov. Huckabee, along with fellow national church leaders, attended the National Southern Baptist Convention in Salt Lake City.

At the time, the decision to hold the event in the shadow of the Mormon Tabernacle was viewed by many Mormons as an insulting stab directed at the very heart of the LDS church.

Worse, according to an account published in the Salt Lake Tribune during the convention, some 2,000 “messengers” of the Southern Baptist Convention went door to door in Utah and proselytized, “armed with questionnaires and their personal belief in Jesus Christ as their savior.”

Because of his participation in that convention and because of his theological background, many Utahans believe that Huckabee has been deeply disingenuous throughout the campaign — not just in one well-publicized interview — in his approach toward the issue of Romney’s Mormon faith.

The Huckabee campaign did not respond to e-mail and phone requests for comment.

The Baptists’ choice of Salt Lake City was a deliberate one, said James Guth, a leading authority on the influence of religion in politics and professor at Furman University.

The Baptists intended to “create a new mission field.” Mormons and the Southern Baptists, he explained, are members of “competing missionary religions.”

“It used to be that the Mormons were in Utah and Southern Baptists were in the South,” Guth said. “Now, Mormons are all over the world, and Southern Baptists want to be all over the world.”

Aside from the issue of clashing faiths, there is a more practical component to Huckabee’s unpopularity.

There is a widespread belief, not just in Utah but among many Romney partisans, that Huckabee’s long-shot — and lingering — candidacy is serving little purpose other than to siphon votes from Romney, Utah’s adopted son, by splitting the conservative vote against John McCain.

“There’s just the feeling that if we really wanted to unite behind a conservative candidate, we would unite behind Romney,” said Dave Hansen, former campaign manager for Sen. Orrin G. Hatch (R-Utah).

“You can’t force [Huckabee] out, but all things considered, I think there are a lot of conservatives who wish he were not still in the race.”

In the unlikely event that Huckabee does capture the Republican nomination, his Utah baggage could come back to haunt him.

In the deeply red state where President Bush still maintains some of his highest approval ratings, a place that has ranked as the most Republican state in the nation in six of the past eight presidential elections, a BYU poll released Monday reveals that Huckabee would pull off the seemingly impossible.

As GOP nominee, he would lose the state of Utah in a hypothetical matchup with Democrat Barack Obama, 58 percent to 42 percent.

Romney, by contrast, would defeat Obama 69 percent to 31 percent. McCain would also win against Obama, though by a more modest 55 percent to 45 percent.

Still, there are limits to how much Utah dislikes Huckabee: In a head-to-head matchup with Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton, Huckabee wins handily, 60 percent to 41 percent.


TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: huckabee; mikehuckabee; mormonism; mormonvote; romney; ut2008
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To: JRochelle
And using this garbage that portrays Mormons as being as hypersensitive to supposed slights of the minutiae of their religion as Moslems is ridiculous.

If we were to take that at face value we'd have to also believe Mormon men have no testicular fortitude, and that's just not been their reputation heretofore.

21 posted on 02/04/2008 8:32:56 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: lookout88
The most hateful Rudy supporter was a puppy dog compared to some of yall. How can you talk about people’s families like that? Are you really a Romney supporter or a plant to make him look bad.
22 posted on 02/04/2008 8:33:25 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: Bosco

BTW, The Huck siphons Evangelical votes from McCain.


23 posted on 02/04/2008 8:33:29 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: JRochelle

“Utah’s Mormons loathe Huckabee”

I do not loathe Huckaliar, I just find him unpalatable as a POTUS candidate. I even find him unpalatable as a candidate to be Juan McAmnestys’ VP.


24 posted on 02/04/2008 8:34:14 PM PST by Grunthor (Comes a time when you ask yourself, "am I a conservative, or just a Republican?")
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To: Count of Monte Logan
Which McCain are you voting for?

The McCain of 2003 who was for the war.

The McCain of 2004 for the war against how it was run.

The McCain of 2005 for the war but wanted 250,000 more American “boots on the ground”

The McCain of 2006. Fathers the Baker Commission. Wants to cut a political deal with Iran and Syria so the USA could slink away from Iraq

The McCain of 2007. Presidential Campaign dead in the water. McCain has surrogates fraudulent start claiming HE was the real father of the Surge strategy.

Will the real John McCain please stand up?

25 posted on 02/04/2008 8:34:45 PM PST by MNJohnnie (McCain is about as tough on Foreign Policy as the next opinion poll)
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To: lookout88
One son, and the story is far more complicated than you portray it. Anyway, he was a minor, didn't do it again, and it wasn't your dog, but if it was, and you let it run around out there and get mange that bad you should be horsewhipped, and it's really not too late for that is it?!

Get that man's address.

26 posted on 02/04/2008 8:34:48 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: restornu; Count of Monte Logan

Count, you are so rare they don’t believe you are real!

LOLOL


27 posted on 02/04/2008 8:34:51 PM PST by JRochelle ("But dad, Eli is copying me!" Peyton)
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To: ari-freedom
we think it is more important to defeat pro-abortion pro-gay anti-gun Romney, just as we defeated pro-abortion pro-gay anti-gun Rudy.

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28 posted on 02/04/2008 8:35:15 PM PST by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Count of Monte Logan

“Mormona”

Is that like a Presbyteriana?


29 posted on 02/04/2008 8:35:25 PM PST by Grunthor (Comes a time when you ask yourself, "am I a conservative, or just a Republican?")
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To: JRochelle

Gee, no bias against Mormons in that title. A true Mormon or Jew or Catholic would loathe no person.


30 posted on 02/04/2008 8:35:30 PM PST by freeplancer
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To: ari-freedom
Which McCain are you voting for?

The McCain of 2003 who was for the war.

The McCain of 2004 for the war against how it was run.

The McCain of 2005 for the war but wanted 250,000 more American “boots on the ground”

The McCain of 2006. Fathers the Baker Commission. Wants to cut a political deal with Iran and Syria so the USA could slink away from Iraq

The McCain of 2007. Presidential Campaign dead in the water. McCain has surrogates fraudulent start claiming HE was the real father of the Surge strategy.

Will the real John McCain please stand up?

31 posted on 02/04/2008 8:35:31 PM PST by MNJohnnie (McCain is about as tough on Foreign Policy as the next opinion poll)
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To: Count of Monte Logan

Not to beat you up: it just makes no sense....as they say doesn’t pass the smell test.


32 posted on 02/04/2008 8:35:58 PM PST by svcw (The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.)
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To: Count of Monte Logan
They do have their stereotypes don't they?!

What I don't like most about McCain is that we'll all have to buy brown shirts if we have to go out and support that guy.

Frankly, I prefer the bear chested look, and warmer weather!~

33 posted on 02/04/2008 8:36:19 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: CindyDawg

We are talking about someone who wants to command our sons. They better be right in the head. Huckabee is not, or is McCain. Not much of a choice left.


34 posted on 02/04/2008 8:36:28 PM PST by lookout88 (Combat search and rescue officer's dad.)
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To: MNJohnnie

“who is ahead or within a few points of McCain in virtually every poll?”

While I believe the race is fairly close, Romney is certainly not within a few points in “virtually every poll.”

The RCP national average has McCain leading by 18.3%, and that’s an average of 8 polls.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-192.html


35 posted on 02/04/2008 8:36:30 PM PST by Moral Hazard (Fred Thompson/Joe Don Baker in 08, because America needs bald, beefy character actors!)
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To: JRochelle
the Southern Baptist preacher best known for his nice-guy persona.

Only idiot liberals like Politico could say this with a straight face.

36 posted on 02/04/2008 8:37:57 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: JRochelle
As it turns out, this isn’t the first time that Huckabee has rubbed Utahans the wrong way. In the summer of 1998, then-Arkansas Gov. Huckabee, along with fellow national church leaders, attended the National Southern Baptist Convention in Salt Lake City.

At the time, the decision to hold the event in the shadow of the Mormon Tabernacle was viewed by many Mormons as an insulting stab directed at the very heart of the LDS church.

If the Methodists or the Greek Orthodox church held their convention next to a Baptist center, would the Baptists see it as "as an insulting stab directed at the very heart of the church"? I don't think so.

37 posted on 02/04/2008 8:38:05 PM PST by gitmo (From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
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To: freeplancer

What?

BS. I loathe Hillary. And Rudy.

Nothing wrong with loathing.


38 posted on 02/04/2008 8:38:15 PM PST by JRochelle ("But dad, Eli is copying me!" Peyton)
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To: MNJohnnie

“A folksy Minister “


That folksy politician won two elections for lieutenant governor and continued to win elections to serve another 10 or 11 years as governor.

The Mormon bishop and priest only served one single term as a governor.


39 posted on 02/04/2008 8:38:58 PM PST by ansel12 (The conservative boat sailed long ago, it is every man for himself now.)
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To: MNJohnnie
You don’t think Myth Romney would fight for this country, do you? No Romney has ever fought for America. Ever. Not a one in 200 years. That’s one thing the McCains don’t worry about.
40 posted on 02/04/2008 8:39:20 PM PST by Leisler
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