Posted on 02/02/2008 11:15:28 AM PST by TheLion
Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, had 59% of the vote with 3% of the towns holding caucuses reporting. Ron Paul trailed with 19%, John McCain had 18%, and Mike Huckabee and undecided votes each had about 2%.
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bttt
Maine:
68% of vote in at 5:08 PM
Romney 52% = 18 delegates John McCain 21% = zero delegates
http://news.aol.com/elections/primary/state/me
bttt for what you said.
Here’s more from one year ago:
McCain Considers Setting Benchmarks for Iraqis (Flashback: January 2007)
azstarnet.com ^ | January 26, 2007 | Margaret Talev
Posted on 01/30/2008 9:41:36 PM EST by kristinn
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1962346/posts
sheesh.. conservatives telling other conservatives to die in a fire. people need to behave lol.
What a sad election cycle this is. I think a huge part of the problem was the fact that several of the candidates should not have even been running as republican (ie doing so dishonestly): ron paul, mccain, rudy etc and it limited the good choices right away.
I realize not everyone is not going to like romney but some of the things said about him in here are truly outrageous. For instance, comparing him to cancer or AIDS.
all of this causes people to lose track of the real problem: If romney is ‘cancer’ then what is hillary? ‘getting fatally shot in a firing range’ would be my guess
The Party regulars up here all supported McCain. Now, all the Paul supporters I’ve spoken to in the past 24 hours (several) all think they’re gonna take over the State Convention and State Committee in May. Talk about crazy!
I think they have extra tin-foil hats too..........
You’re right. This is a sad election cycle. The media and the establishment wanted a liberal nominee for the GOP, and now they have their wish. Conservatives have nothing to support here.
Exactly. Neither are those who use the childish words, "neener, neener" LOL.
What I meant to say was not that McCain tried to show the US "divided" (which he also did domestically, by the way)
But that McCain, knowing he was getting a lot of WORLD media attention due to being a so-called "conservative Republican" aligned with the GWB Administration, delighted in opposing every single crucial battle in America's war against alQaeda -- except Iraq.
He accused the US of torturing terrorists.
He accused the US of violating its own Constitution by monitoring foreign communications.
He accused the US of violating the Geneva Convention by having Gitmo.
And he embarassed the Admin by "off the record" slams on Don Rumsfield.
Our allies were often scared to support us because they of McCain's constant accusations of US violations.
They figured that McCain, a powerful Republican in GWB's party, was privy to some inside information of wrongdoing.
McCain was more interested in retaliation for his 2000 election loss than he was in American victory and security.
“Actually, her dad owned the Phoenix distributorship for ANhauser-Busch.” ~ EDINVA
Read all about it below. McCain was the only Republican in cohoots with these ‘RATS. He can run but he can’t hide.
Mark Levin 2001:
http://www.nationalreview.com/contributors/levinprint040501.html
Remember the Keating Five?
McCain’s own standards would have hung him.
Mr. Levin is also president of the Landmark Legal Foundation.
April 5, 2001 9:15 a.m.
[]or too long, McCain has been given a free pass by the media, which promotes campaign-finance reform to silence other voices, and by his Republican colleagues, who are concerned about alienating McCain given the GOP’s tenuous majority in the Senate.
In John McCain’s America, any politician who accepts a large contribution or gift from a donor, and then takes steps consistent with the donor’s interests even though there is no legal quid pro quo is corrupt. Well, then, by his own standard, McCain is corrupt.
McCain was one of the so-called “Keating Five” senators. He was investigated by the Senate Select Committee on Ethics in 1991 regarding the acceptance of favors from Lincoln Savings & Loan Association (Lincoln) and its owner, Charles H. Keating, Jr. Simply put, the issue was whether McCain and the other senators used their official positions to attempt to pressure Federal Home Loan Bank Board officials to go easy on the troubled institution. Eventually Lincoln went bust, costing depositors and taxpayers millions.
In its final report (November 20, 1991), here is what the Senate Select Committee on Ethics concluded about McCain’s conduct:
“Mr. Keating, his associates, and his friends contributed $56,000 for Senator McCain’s two House races in 1982 and 1984, and $54,000 for his 1986 Senate race. Mr. Keating also provided his corporate plane and/or arranged for payment for the use of commercial or private aircraft on several occasions for travel by Senator McCain and his family, for which Senator McCain ultimately provided reimbursement when called upon to do so. Mr. Keating also allowed Senator McCain and his family to vacation with Mr. Keating and his family, at a home provided by Mr. Keating in the Bahamas, in each of the calendar years 1983 through 1986.
“…[F]rom 1984 to 1987, Senator McCain took actions on Mr. Keating’s behalf or at his request. The Committee finds that Senator McCain had a basis for each of these actions independent of the contributions and benefits he received from Mr. Keating, his associates and friends.
“Based on the evidence available to it, the Committee has given consideration to Senator McCain’s actions on behalf of Lincoln. The Committee concludes that, given the personal benefits and campaign contributions he had received from Mr. Keating, Senator McCain exercised poor judgment in intervening with the regulators without first inquiring as to the Bank Board’s position in the case in a more routine manner. The Committee concludes that Senator McCain’s actions were not improper nor attended with gross negligence and did not reach the level of requiring institutional action against him. The Committee finds that Senator McCain took no further action after the April 9, 1987 meeting when he learned of a criminal referral.
“The Committee reaffirms its prior decision that it does not have jurisdiction to determine the issues of disclosure or reimbursement pertaining to flights provided by American Continental Corporation while Senator McCain was a Member of the House of Representatives. The Committee did consider the effect of such on his state of mind and judgment in taking steps to assist Lincoln.
“Senator McCain has violated no law of the United States or specific Rule of the United States Senate; therefore, the Committee concludes that no further action is warranted with respect to Senator McCain on the matters investigated during the preliminary inquiry.”
McCain was the only Republican implicated in the Keating Five scandal, yet today he lectures his party and his president about “the corrupting influence” of money in politics.
He rails against the so-called “wealthy special interests” and their ability to buy access to elected officials, yet this is precisely what the Keating Five scandal was all about. And, of course, under McCain’s current standard, a politician who takes a principled position that may benefit a donor is corrupt, even if no law has been violated.
The John McCain of old should be thankful that his political fate wasn’t determined by John McCain the reformer.
Utopia.
Duh.
Lung cancer survival rate is 16% by the same ACS stats. Good for your Aunt, but one case doesn’t negate a statistical argument. The underdog wins some, but the favorite remains the safer bet. Only God know for certain. My friend with with brain cancer had surgery twice and radiation and was thought cured, but 17 years later it recurred. So far chemo is controlling it, but my fingers remain tightly crossed.
Considering I'm still here arguing with with you, I'll have to give you that one.
Guess what! Not ONE of them knew Romney took Maine yesterday.....and most of them didn't even know there was a primary at all.
These are people of normal intelligence who watch TV off and on like most folks. They're not news junkies like we are. But they were ALL disgusted that Mitt's victory was not "breaking news" or an "alert". They felt not a little foolish.
I clued them in why they knew nothing of yesterday's primary.
Leni
Rush loves to say that too, but it is part of his ~1% error rate. (He's spot on about McCain and Huckabee, IMHO.) A normal human immune system can and does cure many viruses. Nearly everyone cures themselves of countless colds, etc. Historically 70% cured themselves of smallpox and a few cure themselves even of Ebola. Even AIDS patients eventually cure themselves of such. For that matter physicians can cure some viruses. As a Dermatologist I've treated countless warts with liquid nitrogen and have cured the majority of them just a completely as I've cured thousands of skin cancers by cutting out the affected skin. Some viruses have the ability to persist widely and indefinitely in spite of the immune system. Our current ability to completely remove them with drugs is lamentably poor, but rare success stories do exist. As we better understand the interaction between humans and viruses at the source code level, their DNA/RNA our successes will increase just as our successes against genetic diseases will increase.
For awhile there had been hope that getting the HIV load down to undetectable and keeping it there awhile might actually cure AIDS, but it seems that we're not there yet. I wouldn't count out human ingenuity backed by billions of tax payer dollars yet either. For many, if not most, Americans with AIDS it has become a chronic disease, like diabetes or hypertension, with reasonable, if not ideal, quality of life and a normal life expectancy. Presuming you take your meds and follow the rest of your doctor's advice. In the developing world, where they can't afford to spend $10-20k annually on each AIDS patient, it remains a significant short term death sentence. In the US, where we're willing to spend that on each, and are even willing to spend that much on some of my psoriasis patients, it is only a death sentence in the sense that life is a death sentence. Modern records show no one surviving life longer than 122 years, 164 days. The biblical record is 969 years. Even Christ died although the survival rate after resurrection is encouraging.
Your morbid perspective on McCain III's life expectancy may well be correct. But that doesn't solve anything if it gives us a President Huckabee. It's hard to interpret Huck's behavior since Iowa as if Huck expects anything less and it's all too easy to imagine McCain claiming Huck as his answer to both his conservative and age problems. Mac owes Crist more than he owes Fred and none more than he owes Huck. I'd place current odds of McCain tapping Fred at lower than the rate of surviving brain cancer. Hopes for President Fred via a brokered convention are even lower. With Fred+Rudy+Hunter+Paul totaling a mere handful of delegates reaching a brokered convention must mean Huckabee won enough to prevent either McCain or Mitt from reaching 50%. I can't imagine Huck throwing his delegates to a candidate he despises and I'd be shocked if the vast majority of his delegates wouldn't vote as he directed. Unless Romney gets within single digits of 1191 a brokered convention will give us McCain. Meanwhile Romney wouldn't owe anyone to the degree of McCain owing Huck, but would rather pick a VP to fight his perceived weaknesses as a Mormon flip-flopper by picking a non-Mormon solid conservative. Anything else would subvert his efforts to unite the base. He may not be able to unite the base, and some will say he doesn't deserve to unite the base, but none can say he doesn't want to unite the base behind him and isn't striving to do that as hard as he can. He might not pick a conservative as well known as Fred, but I bet he'd pick someone the base would accept. Then the Mitt/Mormon haters could hope for a righteous God to strike down the heretic and break William Henry Harrison's record.
McCain’s most recent posted ACU rating, from 2006, was 65 for that year. He beat soundly the sub-50 scores of Chafee (24), Spector and the girls from Maine. He beat, by one point, the trio of Stevens, Lugar and Warner. He was thus the 8th worst RINO in the Senate. He probably received more MSM coverage for it than the other 7 combined. That 65 much better fits McCain than his lifetime score. He used to be conservative. He used to honor his oaths to protect the constitution. He’s broken the latter and enjoys breaking the former.
That’s an interesting point, I’ll yield to your superior knowledge in the field of medicine. One concern I’ve had with respect to funding (such as AIDS), as my father pointed out (who worked for a renowned medical university) that there were gargantuan amounts of money being wasted being dumped into certain areas. There is, after all, only so much research that can be humanly done, after a point, you’re just overfunding and wasting money when it could be directed towards less sexy diseases that don’t have as much PR.
You’re also correct that if Huckster ends up on McCain’s ticket, that will remove the very last incentive for a Conservative to vote. Back when the media-fueled Huckaboom was occurring, I worked hard to raise awareness that this guy was essentially the Southern-fried Romney, and did exactly the same thing to the AR GOP what Romney did in MA. He has only credibility on being pro-life, but he’s Socialist otherwise. I got this amusing button recently that described Huckster as the 2nd coming of William Jennings Bryan. Bryan, of course, was a Christian Socialist (back in the day when you still could be). Charlie Crist of FL may be (after Ah-nold in CA), our worst RINO Governor currently in office. His premier priority was to give murderers the right to vote and he is a Jim McGreevey/Larry Craig nightmare just waiting to happen. A Romneyesque blow-dried tanned metrosexual dandy whose feet don’t quite touch the ground. Now, I could see him as a Romney VP (despite his working for McCain).
As I’ve said recently, though, this may all be academic. I think we’re going to lose the general election at the rate we’re going. There’s way too much party division to overcome. Neither Romney or McCain can unite the base, and only piss various segments off.
No way will Romney pick Crist after his last minute endorsement of McCain's dirty tricks in Florida. Even Hewitt wouldn't expect Romney to be that forgiving.
Sadly you may be right on it all being academic. The specific implications may change depending on Obama vs. Hillary getting their nod. We might even welcome a Bloomberg run and as a 3rd party in a Hillary vs. "M" race he might even win. I know Bloomberg's a hapless lib, but don't know enough to know whether he'd be less horrid than Hillary.
In any case, if we can't win the goal then becomes to save as many good Republicans in Congress as possible. Losing RINOs for Dem's, when they already hold both Houses, won't hurt much short term, but we need to save as many conservative seats as possible to lessen the task for future elections. Based on the exit polls to date, although Romney certainly turns off some conservatives (like yourself), McCain turns off more. Romney has been beating McCain for the conservative vote in pretty much every state. Thus a losing Romney run would arguably have fewer of the base stay home for congressional conservatives than a losing McCain run. And have the added advantage from your vantage point of avoiding a run by either McCain or Romney in 2112. If some of McCain's RINO base switches to Rats and costs us a few RINO seats, well then we start our Reconquista with a purer party. If McCain runs and loses you may have to put up with a repeat Romney run in 2112, claiming to follow Reagan's '80 path.
Fred was a good man, but got in too late. Sorry.
Take a second look at Romney, and try to be open minded.
He had to be sly to get the governors job in Mass....
a fox in sheeps clothing... A republican in hostile territory. Give him a chance.
McPain ... a bona-fide McKennedy McFeingold arrogant nasty liberal. We all agree on that. He will never be president.
The base would rather hang him from a tree.
Timing had nothing to do with Fred’s entry. The media and the establishment didn’t want a Conservative. They got their wish, we’ll have a liberal nominee (and probably one who will lose).
And if my thousands of posts detailing why I’d jump out of airplane without a parachute before I’d ever vote for a lying liberal party-killing slimeball like Romney don’t explain why he is thoroughly unfit to be elected dogcatcher, let alone President, nothing will.
Am I to infer you’d rather have Hillary than Romney?
Yeah, he would. He gets a kick out of playing a martyr.
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