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Scientists could make men redundant in creating babies by turning WOMEN'S bone marrow into sperm
The Daily Mail (U.K.) ^ | January 31, 2008 | FIONA MACRAE

Posted on 01/30/2008 9:40:00 PM PST by Stoat

How UK scientists could make men redundant in creating babies by turning WOMEN'S bone marrow into sperm

By FIONA MACRAE - More by this author » Last updated at 00:52am on 31st January 2008

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Bye bye baby: The new science means the biological role of the father is under threat

British scientists are ready to turn female bone marrow into sperm, cutting men out of the process of creating life.

 

The breakthrough paves the way for lesbian couples to have children that are biologically their own.

 

Gay men could follow suit by using the technique to make eggs from male bone marrow.

 

Researchers at Newcastle upon Tyne University say their technique will help lead to new treatments for infertility.

 

But critics warn that it sidelines men and raises the prospect of babies being born through entirely artificial means.

 

The research centres around stem cells - the body's 'mother' cells which can turn into any other type of cell.

 

According to New Scientist magazine, the scientists want to take stem cells from a woman donor's bone marrow and transform them into sperm through the use of special chemicals and vitamins.

 

Newcastle professor Karim Nayernia has applied for permission to carry out the work and is ready to start the experiments within two months.

 

The biologist, who pioneered the technique with mice, believes early- stage 'female sperm' could be produced inside two years. Mature sperm capable of fertilising eggs might take three more years.

 

Early-stage sperm have already been produced from male bone marrow.

 

Taking stem cells from an adult donor - possibly a cancer patient - removes the ethical problems associated with using embryos.

 

The race to find a cure for infertility is global.

 

Greg Aharonian, a U.S. analyst who is trying to patent the technologies behind female sperm and male eggs, said he wants to undermine the argument that heterosexual marriage is superior because it is aimed at procreation. "I'm a troublemaker," he said.

 

Researchers at the Butantan Institute in Brazil, meanwhile, claim to have turned embryonic stem cells from male mice into both sperm and eggs. They are now working on skin cells.

If their experiments succeed, the stage would be set for a gay man to donate skin cells that could be used to make eggs.

 

These could then be fertilised by his partner's sperm and placed into the womb of a surrogate mother.

 

Irina Kerkis, a researcher at the Brazilian centre, said this development is possible, but raises ethical questions.

 

Laboratory-grown sperm and eggs offer hope for those left infertile by radiotherapy treatment when they were young.

 

The experiments could also provide an invaluable insight into dealing with infertility, a little understood condition that affects one in six couples.

 

Other scientists warn however that the research is still in its infancy and any treatment is still many years away from use in hospitals and clinics.

 

There are also fears that children born from artificial eggs and sperm will suffer severe health problems, like the mice in the Newcastle experiments.

Couples who have children from artificial sperm created from women would be able to have girls only. This is because the female sperm would lack the Y-chromosome needed for boys.

 

Robin Lovell-Badge, of the National Institute for Medical Research in London, said the creation of female sperm is at least a decade away.

 

Josephine Quintavalle, of Comment on Reproductive Ethics, a campaign group, said: "We are looking at absurd solutions to very obscure situations and not addressing the main issue. Nobody is interested in looking at what is causing infertility - social reasons such as obesity, smoking and age.

 

"All these things would provide solutions which wouldn't grab the headlines, but a lot more people would get the response they want - which is to be able to have their own children."

 

Mike Judge, of the Christian Institute faith group, said the Newcastle project flies in the face of research showing that children do best when raised by a married mixed- sex couple.

 

"Children need male and female role models in their lives," he added. "Yes, there are children raised by single parents through all sorts of circumstances, but when you are talking about deliberately creating children in that way, that is morally wrong."

Debra Matthews, a U.S. bioethicist, said: "People want children and no one wants anyone else to tell them they can't have them."

 

An update of Britain's ageing fertility laws is going through Parliament and is likely to allow the use of artificial sperm and eggs in IVF treatment - but only for heterosexual couples.

 

The Newcastle research also paves the way for a woman to grow her own sperm and use it to fertilise her natural eggs, creating a child to which she is both mother and father.

 

Similarly, a man could be both father and mother to a child created with his own sperm and a lab-grown egg. Such children would be at high risk of genetic abnormality.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Technical; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: bioethics; britain; cloning; england; greatbritain; healthcare; homosexualagenda; lesbians; medicine; mengele; moralabsolutes; science; stemcell; stemcells; techonology; testtubebabies; uk; unitedkingdom
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To: Secret Agent Man
Plus self testimony from lesbians and gays who admit making a conscious choice to be a homosexual.

Using the factual statements of Homosexuals and Lesbians in order to derail their political agenda is Hate Speech, and you will be prosecuted for it and if convicted you will be jailed for one thousand years.

Welcome to the Brave New World.

41 posted on 01/30/2008 10:50:47 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: DoughtyOne
That’ll never work. Who are women going to take to court to get them to support them and the baby?

Have they got a DNA answer for that one?

You are asking clear, reasonable, coherent and entirely relevant and logical questions.

The penalty for doing so will be assessed under Hate Speech statutes.

I assume that you have legal representation?

 Major Hochstetter

42 posted on 01/30/2008 10:55:47 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

It might work. And monkeys might fly out of my butt!

43 posted on 01/30/2008 10:57:18 PM PST by RPTMS
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To: Stoat

Does an expired green card help? It seems to supercede all our other laws. :-)


44 posted on 01/30/2008 11:07:21 PM PST by DoughtyOne (PARTY WANTED: Full Time, Proven Cons exp a must. Refs going bk 20 yrs. Amnesty sptrs need not apply.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
If you use your own marrow, it’s going to be genetically identical to you

Both egg and sperm split the genes, each providing half of the genetic make up. The chance of two eggs or two sperms having identical genes is virtually nill.

45 posted on 01/30/2008 11:10:41 PM PST by Seven_0 (You cannot fool all of the people, ever!)
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To: Stoat

More recent, around age 21.


46 posted on 01/30/2008 11:13:46 PM PST by wastedyears (This is my BOOMSTICK)
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To: DoughtyOne
Does an expired green card help? It seems to supercede all our other laws. :-)

That will depend entirely upon your own race.  If you are white, and particularly an Evil White Male, you will have additional charges levied against you for being in possession of a green card that should rightfully be in the hands of one of our Honored Minority Brethren.

The Hate Crime Police are on their way.......

47 posted on 01/30/2008 11:15:10 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

I think I have a spanyard somewhere in my ancestry about ten generations back. That makes me as Mexican as any other european from south of the border.


48 posted on 01/30/2008 11:24:51 PM PST by DoughtyOne (PARTY WANTED: Full Time, Proven Cons exp a must. Refs going bk 20 yrs. Amnesty sptrs need not apply.)
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To: Stoat

49 posted on 01/30/2008 11:38:41 PM PST by Global2010
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To: Stoat
Gay men could follow suit by using the technique to make eggs from male bone marrow.

I wonder if it is possible to make an egg that has a "Y" chromosome.

50 posted on 01/30/2008 11:44:47 PM PST by Seven_0 (You cannot fool all of the people, ever!)
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To: Stoat
Me woman want Man...


51 posted on 01/31/2008 12:01:21 AM PST by Global2010
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To: Stoat

Bone marrow extraction isn’t very pleasant, having some
“fun” with the husband is. I’ll stick with the husband.


52 posted on 01/31/2008 12:04:57 AM PST by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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To: Secret Agent Man
It is not genetic. If it was then identical twins would always both be gay 100% of the time. They are not. If one is gay, there’s a 50% chance the other will be. The fact they are not 100% of the time, but a much lower 50% of the time, proves it is not merely genetic. Plus self testimony from lesbians and gays who admit making a conscious choice to be a homosexual.

Or, the twins in question could have been bisexuals, and could have swung either ways, anyway, ultimately locking down on one choice.

As for the cloning part, I thought the article meant the members of the lesbian "couple" would each contribute an egg or a sperm. Even otherwise, like someone mentioned, egg and sperm from the same individual will still undergo pairing, where the final combination genetics cannot be predicted, as there is an apparent random re-combination that happens.

53 posted on 01/31/2008 12:57:28 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: DoughtyOne
That’ll never work. Who are women going to take to court to get them to support them and the baby?

You are years out of date on your understanding of child support law. Due to federal "welfare" reform, fathers can be arbitrarily appointed - even if they've never even met the mother - and forced to pay child support for life - even with a DNA test proving they are not the fathers. I'm not kidding. The issue has been discussed more in California newspapers than anywhere else in the country, but it's also discussed some other places.

Injustice by Default

Congress Supports Deadbeat Dads and Loose Women
54 posted on 01/31/2008 2:50:57 AM PST by RogerFGay
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To: RogerFGay

It’s okay if we are relieved of any role in baby making: I was tired and had a headache anyway.......


55 posted on 01/31/2008 3:15:46 AM PST by Nick Thimmesch
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To: isrul
“Is all science now geared to accommodating the sick, perverted, demented lifestyle of homos?”

No. It’s geared to playing with the genes in a cell and seeing what you can do with them. The same sort of playing resulted in adult stem cells from skin which can be used instead of embryonic stem cells in many applications. This is a British redtop tabloid. Of course they’re going to put a sex twist on the story. However, there are real science news pages worth reading.

56 posted on 01/31/2008 4:42:35 AM PST by GAB-1955 (Kicking and Screaming into the Kingdom of Heaven!)
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To: fhayek
Maybe, but not if they are lesbians.

Lesbians like the bone too - - trust me!

(All except the Rosy O'Donnell variety)
57 posted on 01/31/2008 5:07:26 AM PST by Beckwith (Dhimmicrats and the liberal media have chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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To: Global2010
Me woman want Man...

Me male stoat, want WooMannn.......

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58 posted on 01/31/2008 6:08:32 AM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: kalee
Bone marrow extraction isn’t very pleasant, having some
“fun” with the husband is. I’ll stick with the husband.

<<<  handing Kalee the Solid Gold Woman Award  :-)

(suitable for framing, of course)

59 posted on 01/31/2008 6:32:11 AM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Seven_0
 
Gay men could follow suit by using the technique to make eggs from male bone marrow.

I wonder if it is possible to make an egg that has a "Y" chromosome.
 


If there is a chance for receiving a Government grant, getting a major and influential paper published in a prestigious peer-reviewed journal or of being heralded by a shrill minority group, I think that we can rest assured that a way to do it will indeed be found one day...regardless of whether or not it actually provides any tangible benefit for mankind or not.

60 posted on 01/31/2008 6:37:34 AM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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