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Global Governance - To Strobe Talbott, it's inevitable. To John Bolton, it's surrender.
Washington Post ^ | January 27, 2008 | Joseph S. Nye Jr.

Posted on 01/27/2008 7:12:50 AM PST by 3AngelaD

SURRENDER IS NOT AN OPTION, Defending America at the United Nations And Abroad, By John Bolton; THE GREAT EXPERIMENT, The Story of Ancient Empires, Modern States, And the Quest for a Global Nation, By Strobe Talbott

...John Bolton, most recently President Bush's ambassador to the United Nations, and Strobe Talbott, President Clinton's deputy secretary of state and now president of the Brookings Institution, have some things in common...Their differences, however, far outweigh their similarities...Talbott believes that global governance is coming -- that "individual states will increasingly see it in their interest to form an international system that is far more cohesive, far more empowered by its members, and therefore far more effective than the one we have today." Whether the United Nations will be the centerpiece of this new system is less clear to him. In Talbott's view, the U.N. has the advantage of universal membership, global scope and a comprehensive agenda that makes it indispensable as a convener of governments and legitimizer of decisions, but also the disadvantage of being spread too thin; the sheer number and diversity of its members is a drag on its effectiveness. "To offset that defect," Talbott writes, "the U.N. needs to be incorporated into an increasingly variegated network of structures and arrangements -- some functional in focus, others geographic; some intergovernmental, others based on systematic collaboration with the private sector, civil society, and NGOs." ...Only in this way, he contends, will the world be able to deal with such clear dangers as a new wave in nuclear proliferation and a tipping point in global climate change.

Bolton is skeptical of such visions....

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: bolton; book; enemywithin; johnbolton; nationalsovereignty; strobetalbott; worldgovernment
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To: 3AngelaD

Strobe Talbott? Wasn’t Talbott long ago exposed as a Soviet mole?
He’s another State Department communist, right?


21 posted on 01/27/2008 9:20:10 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Cincinnatus.45-70

I know, I understand your perspective. I have found the topics of that time period very interesting in terms of the relevance to today. I suspect the groups mentioned are not necessarily good nor do they perhaps promote the kind of view of America found here on FR....


22 posted on 01/27/2008 9:25:26 AM PST by The Forgotten Man (He works, he votes, generally he prays--but he always pays....)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Weren’t Strobe and Brooke Talbott the dumpster-divers extraordinaire for the Clintons? These yuppies smell to high heaven and will be part of another Clinton administration if the American people are so stupid as to elect the two grifters again.
23 posted on 01/27/2008 9:26:25 AM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: 3AngelaD; All

One of the most patriotic things I think any of us can do at this stage . . . is to download for free, the film about the globalists’ ENGAME at:

http://www.endgamethemovie.com/

and copy and distribute it free for nonprofit educational purposes.

Prepare to be shocked, if you haven’t been studying this for 45+ years. He has documented every second of the film from multiple conventional sources.


24 posted on 01/27/2008 9:31:43 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: 3AngelaD

Just what we need - an unelected UN bureaucracy telling us what to do. The Russians erected such a system and called it the soviet socialist union. Reagan called it an evil empire, a dictatorship.

I side with Mr. Reagan’s opinion.


25 posted on 01/27/2008 9:32:31 AM PST by sergeantdave (The majority of Michigan voters are that stupid and the condition is incipient and growing.)
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To: 3AngelaD

No wonder the globalists screamed like murder at confirming him at the UN post.

Though, actually, I consider virtually all politicians of any prominence to be globalist stooges at this point . . . either knowingly and willingly or otherwise.


26 posted on 01/27/2008 9:32:41 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com

Some trace it back 400 years.


27 posted on 01/27/2008 9:33:29 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Jimmy Valentine

Declassified docs now reveal . . . the USA globalist puppet masters set up Mao to win out over the Nationalists and insured that he did so.


28 posted on 01/27/2008 9:34:18 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: 3AngelaD

I had long ago accepted as highly probable fact near proven that the puppet masters set up the USSR Commies et al . . . just researching Armand Hammer would convince virtually any fair minded person of that without all the other evidence.

But the Mao part was one I was resisting believing.

Sigh.


29 posted on 01/27/2008 9:35:46 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

The Klintoons just left arseprints.


30 posted on 01/27/2008 9:36:51 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: The Forgotten Man

It’s fascinating . . . as the ENDGAME above proves in beyond quadruplicate . . .

the tyrannical satanic globalists are now on record in MANY publicly available authentic documents in support of not only globalism in general but in all it’s horrific tyrannical specifics . . .

trying to remember . . . Ted Turner on record advocating killing outright 75% (?or more?) of the “USELESS EATERS” of the world’s population. Gotta save the environment etc . . . get that global population down to 200-500 million.

I had also resisted believing that the ethnic targeted engineered plagues etc. was really true. But the money and paper trail is now well documented on such research.


31 posted on 01/27/2008 9:40:24 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Cincinnatus.45-70

WELL PUT.

I hope you check out the link above, if you haven’t already.

Supposedly the globalists expect their formal, overt, dramatic takeover to take all of

5 days.


32 posted on 01/27/2008 9:42:41 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: The Forgotten Man

Have been labeled a kook or some such most of my life.

Comes with seeing things others don’t see and/or seeing them ealier than others see them.

An alert, forewarned, prepared . . . kook . . . is likely to have a lot of options left that the

WAKE-UP-VERY-LATELY’S

won’t have.


33 posted on 01/27/2008 9:45:01 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: The Forgotten Man
This all started back in the 30’s with the New Deal progressives

The origin can be traced back more than a century before that. To America and some French philosophers. Bolton is speaking for himself and doing well on the rubber chicken circuit.

34 posted on 01/27/2008 9:45:32 AM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: RightWhale

Am comforted and relieved that you are aware of such facts.

You should be more careful, my respect for you keeps rising.

Oh, dear. Oh me. Oh, my! LOL.


35 posted on 01/27/2008 9:47:32 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com

“I haven’t found out for sure, but it appears Bolton has turned his back on the Council as well.”

Really? Or just pretend? What makes you think that? I’m interested.


36 posted on 01/27/2008 10:04:15 AM PST by dljordan
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To: Cincinnatus.45-70

“I wasn’t being critical of you, because all those you named are bad groups, but it’s easy to not see the forest because of all the trees. Those groups have influence and success to the extent that the collectivist mindset is an acceptable way of life.”

The collectivist mindset is just for the little people not the global elites.


37 posted on 01/27/2008 10:06:30 AM PST by dljordan
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To: Quix

The Bible points to a future destruction of the numbers of mankind down to those “desired” numbers that Turner cites...what he doesn’t get are the identities of such “eaters” that will be destroyed!

Those who sew the wind will reap a whirlwind....!


38 posted on 01/27/2008 10:15:01 AM PST by mdmathis6
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To: mdmathis6

True. True.

I’m convinced that God has a LOT more surprises up a LOT BIGGER SLEEVES than even satan thinks satan has up his sleeves.


39 posted on 01/27/2008 10:26:09 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Cincinnatus.45-70
Collectivist totalitarianism did not die with the Soviet Union, it just became Al Gore’s Green/Global Warming movement. Bilderberg, CFR, they are just elitist clubs for the most influential of the collectivists. But it’s a mindset, not an organization that we need to fight.

Correct - hence the reason it's called the "Watermelon Coalition" - green on the outside, red on the inside.

40 posted on 01/27/2008 10:28:34 AM PST by MCH
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