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Sorry, but marriage and sex DON'T go together (British wife's book)
Daily Mail ^ | 25th January 2008 | SADIE NICHOLAS

Posted on 01/25/2008 9:44:11 AM PST by nickcarraway

Carrie Jones hasn't had sex with her husband Hal, a City banker, for the past four years. Nor does she want to. Sex is something she can no longer summon the effort to endure - with the man she married, at least.

She admits she stays in her sexless relationship for the sake of her children, aged nine and 11, and will remain celibate until the day they are grown up and she feels able to leave. At which point, she confesses, she will probably abandon her husband and begin a sexual odyssey to find the satisfaction that eludes her.

An unusual case? A sorry lack of libido? She insists not. "If I thought I was unique in my sexual disappointment I'd probably be suicidal," muses Carrie, 45, a publishing executive, who lives in North London with Hal and their children.

"I remember the first time my girlfriends and I admitted that we all felt the same about married sex as parents: we couldn't be bothered with it and felt guilty for not wanting to sleep with our husbands. It was a revelation. I remember thinking: 'Thank God! It's not just me!'

Carrie Jones: 'Providing a stable home for children is totally incompatible with having an exciting sex life'

"Now I believe there are thousands of other married women who would love to admit sex isn't all it's cracked up to be. But, if the constant cliches in women's magazines and chick-lit are to believed, we should all be enjoying prowess in the boardroom and swooning every night in the bedroom.

"It's the great taboo that no one dares admit - that sex is often a let-down."

So convinced is Carrie that her experience of sex in marriage - initially pleasant, dwindling to nothing at all after having children - is a universal one that she has just written a book, under an assumed name, highlighting the disappointment of her sex life.

"It's a sort of 'Frigid Jones' Diary'," she laughs, though she is not joking. "I want to break the taboo. Sex frequently isn't the chandelier-swinging experience that certain authors would have us believe is every woman's rite of passage.

"For me, the sense of being special to Hal faded away just as it did with previous boyfriends. I became obsessed with agony columns, poring over letters talking of boring marriages and the temptation of affairs and willing just one agony aunt to advise someone to run off with a lover.

"Of course, they never did. It was always: 'Go and work at your marriage.' But I didn't want to work on mine. I wanted someone to say: 'Actually, perhaps nothing will make you want to sleep with your husband again,' which is how I feel.

"I've made my choice. For now I'm caught up in marriage's net, bound up with responsibilities to my children. My interest in sex with the person I was supposed to be closest to has died. I could leave but for now I'll wait because of the desolation it would wreak on my family.

"I want to maintain the family unit because it makes other things possible, like doing things together with the children. But one day, when they are older and I can think about my own needs again, I may leave and start all over again.

"In the meantime, I want to tell other women that they are not alone in not wanting to have sex with their long-term partners. I don't think it's possible to maintain the passion of the initial chase. But it doesn't mean you won't experience those feelings again with someone else."

She may be considering an extreme - some would say distasteful and selfish - course of action for the future but Carrie's upbringing was very conventional. A Cambridge graduate, she was raised in Yorkshire, the only child of teacher parents whose marriage, she says, "was pretty dull".

She and Hal were introduced by friends when they were both 33, and she admits that they "clicked brilliantly".

They had sex up to five times a week before having children. But like her previous experiences, the longer the relationship lasted, the more disappointing it became.

"The problem is that sex in a long-term relationship inevitably becomes less alluring as domesticity sets in," she says. "Hal and I were very well suited in terms of our personalities and common interest in books, music, art and films but we never had the kind of wild, passionate sex that leaves you wanting more.

"Like most successful long-term partnerships, our relationship wasn't built on sex or passion. At best, sex was simply fine."

But even the "fine" sex Carrie recalls was soon replaced by despondency once the couple's first child was born.

"I did the middle-class mother thing in a big way," she says. "I gave up my career, breast-fed each child for a year and spent my days in a dizzy whirl of playgroups and coffee mornings.

"I'd flipped from wife to mother, and it gave me excuses - often genuine - to cold-shoulder my husband's sexual advances. He knew I was tired from the children and was always very understanding. He's an unusually kind and tolerant man." Indeed he must be.

Certainly, once the first flush of love and lust gives way to familiarity, domesticity and parenthood, few would argue that making love is the wanton adventure it was. But Carrie goes one step further. She believes that marriage and motherhood are simply not conducive to having a sex life at all.

"Providing a stable home for children is totally incompatible with having an exciting sex life. The two things are violently at odds," she adds.

"After umpteen years with the same person, sex is bound to get boring. Some people put themselves first, have affairs or simply leave their marriages in search of sexual adventure.

"I've chosen to sacrifice sexual thrills in order to do the right thing by my kids."

But a martyr Carrie isn't, and surely Hal does not feel she is doing the right thing by him. The couple still share a bed, though physical contact is strictly off limits.

"We've never discussed the demise of our sex life," she says. "It was more a case of reaching a low ebb of energy on my part.

"For a long time I didn't even realise it was the end of marital sex for us. But when years have passed, you realise it ended a long time ago."

Unbelievably, her poor, unsuspecting husband is not only unaware of her plans to leave him. He also, she insists, has no idea that she has written a book or posed for these pictures. She seems as confident of him not finding out as she is that he is understanding of her feelings.

For when asked whether she worries that Hal may seek sexual gratification elsewhere, she says: "I'm not concerned. I don't think that would happen. It's not Hal's fault that I wish to remain celibate; it's nothing he's said or done. He's a good man and a great dad. It's just that I don't want to be intimate with him any more."

Such cold words must leave her husband reeling? She insists not.

"There's a general understanding between us that I'm keeping the family unit together," she says. "Children need to be brought up by parents in a monogamous marriage. I wouldn't want to blow that apart, and I certainly wouldn't want the burden of being a single parent.

"I know from taking the kids on holiday on my own once when Hal was working that having sole responsibility for them is exhausting."

So what of her sexual history? It seems that Carrie wasn't always this uninterested in sex. She admits to having 23 lovers before she married.

"Ten were proper boyfriends," she recalls. "I regretted having sex with six of them, loved three of them but only one of the 23 ever gave me an orgasm.

"As I entered my thirties, it was obvious my sex life had a recurring, rather depressing pattern: intense desire to begin with followed, if the relationship survived long enough, by a slow winding down into indifference.

"Only an affair with a married man called John bucked the trend. But that was doomed by its very nature."

Five years ago, Carrie almost cheated on her husband after regaining contact with an old flame on the website Friends Reunited.

"I nearly lost my virginity to Mark when we were 17, but my mother arrived home as we enjoyed a fumble in my bedroom," she recalls.

"He was gorgeous, looked like a man even back then in his school uniform, and remained in my consciousness for all those years.

"When I looked on Friends Reunited, it was an enormous thrill just to find Mark's name. I e-mailed him immediately. He replied with an update on his life and said he was single - I was intoxicated.

"We began to exchange flirtatious emails, then text messages and phone calls which became increasingly fraught with sexual tension.

"After a few months of tantalising cyber sex, I booked a flight to go and see him in Germany, where he was living, over Easter 2003. But between booking the flight and the departure date, Mark found a girlfriend. I was distraught, my hopes of sexual adventure dashed."

Did Carrie not feel an ounce of guilt about her plans to cheat on Hal? "I had been feeling so sour about my sex life with Hal.

"But, back in contact with Mark, I suddenly discovered that my sexual urge wasn't dead as I had feared, just dormant.

"It was glorious to feel aroused again, and those feelings blocked out any guilt I might otherwise have felt about Hal.

"For the few months that Mark and I flirted online, I had two existences: one where I cooked and cleaned and went frigidly to bed at night. And another where I had butterflies in my stomach and stole off to write sexy, flirty emails and text messages to a man I hadn't seen for more than 20 years."

Eventually Carrie was forced to confess her feelings about Mark to her husband after he discovered the email exchanges between the two on her computer. Astonishingly, Hal comforted her while she sobbed and, she says, for a short time the pair were closer and more able to talk.

"But as time went on, it became clear this was just an interlude in our marriage rather than a permanent change," admits Carrie. "The old coldness returned and, since then, I have been unable to have sex with my husband."

Such a sorry tale of a sexless, unfulfilling marriage is in stark contrast to the current throng of writers littering the Amazon book charts with jaw-dropping memoirs of lurid sex lives.

Carrie admits that part of her envies those authors who claim to be having lots of sex and, more significantly, love it. The other part of her just doesn't believe them.

"I do wonder if they are just writing what they think the audience wants to hear," she says. "I read their accounts of wild sex lives and then ponder my own sexual encounters and wonder: 'Where was the fun, the screaming ecstasy, the fireworks?'"

Perhaps when her children are grown up, Carrie will do as she intends and leave her marriage.

Only then will she know whether the fantasy of taking in multiple lovers and never committing to one man is a greater thrill than being in a monogamous marriage.

• Cutting Up Playgirl: A Cheerful Memoir Of Sexual Disappointment, by Carrie Jones, published by Old Street on February 15, £8.99.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: bookreview; genderwars; marriage; sex
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp

Oh, and not to mention that she’s also humiliating her children in the process. She has written a book describing all of this in detail. I feel sorry for the children.


241 posted on 01/25/2008 11:39:31 AM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (...dreams of a Utopia - a land where 'Liberals' aka Totalitarians do not exist...)
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To: Hemorrhage
The disrespect shown in publishing a BOOK documenting the sexual inadequacies of the man you supposedly love is astounding.

The word 'cuckolded' does spring to mind.

And you're right about the intentional public disrespect. It's difficult to imagine a more hateful, hurtful thing to do to ones spouse.

It's far worse in my mind than a private bit of adultery.

If I were him in addition to having divorce papers drawn up, I'd be penning my own little tome. Something along the lines of "How To Survive Being Married To A Duplicitous Frigid Harpy" would be appropriate I think.

L

242 posted on 01/25/2008 11:39:53 AM PST by Lurker (Pimping my blog: http://lurkerslair-lurker.blogspot.com/)
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To: JRios1968

I would like to believe we don’t. :)


243 posted on 01/25/2008 11:40:22 AM PST by najida (I am so grateful that stupid isn't contagious.)
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To: Hemorrhage

excellent illustration. how many male freepers would marry her just based on looks without regard to her personality [she’s a schizo] or morals [she’s an incorrigible slut]? tons, i wager ; )


244 posted on 01/25/2008 11:41:10 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: Abigail Adams
Generally speaking, if men put in the time and effort to learn about what “works” for the woman, and also put in the time and effort to nurture the emotional component of marriage (ie, talk), the sex will be better.

I agree. But sometimes guys need a little guidance. Sometimes they don't even realize the problem. When that happens, a wife should open communication, not shut off physical intimacy.

245 posted on 01/25/2008 11:42:55 AM PST by timm22 (Think critically)
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To: najida

sad. i was 29 when i got married, and will be celebrating my 23d wedding anniversary this year. i was old enough, and knew who i was, as did my hub. it makes a difference to the eventual success of a relationship that you know yourself, you are very right.


246 posted on 01/25/2008 11:43:27 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: JRios1968

Her only real problem is that sour expression on her face ...


247 posted on 01/25/2008 11:43:35 AM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: xsmommy

Nah — just enjoy the picture, and get yourself a real woman who doesn’t need four makeup personnel, lighting, and airbrushing to look gorgeous ... true beauty is beautiful in a t-shirt and jeans, with no makeup, at the grocery store.

H


248 posted on 01/25/2008 11:44:31 AM PST by SnakeDoctor
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To: timm22

Oh trust me. Men bring it up. But after a while, it just becomes easier to call the boys for a few beers. That beer and that football game are never tired or have a headache.

When a buddy of mine got caught with another woman, his response was “You said sex wasn’t important to you anymore so why are you yelling now”.


249 posted on 01/25/2008 11:45:24 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: rednesss

Of all the other responses on this subject, you are absolutely positively spot on.

In a huge measure husbands have become disposable, especially with the coming of ‘no fault’ divorce; aka divorce on demand. In England the marriage rate has dropped off the chart and it is doing the same in America. Right now in America 70% of all divorce action is brought by the wife.

It’s precisely because of women like this (drop the old guy, cash out and have some fun!) that men are becoming more contemplative about marriage. In short, western women are pricing themselves out of the market.


250 posted on 01/25/2008 11:45:24 AM PST by familyof5
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To: xsmommy

Actually, I think he might say “at least one” ;-)


251 posted on 01/25/2008 11:45:45 AM PST by HungarianGypsy
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To: ArrogantBustard

>> Her only real problem is that sour expression on her face ...

Her obnoxious personality, general flooziness, and absolute frigidity toward her husband certainly doesn’t help matters ...

H


252 posted on 01/25/2008 11:46:52 AM PST by SnakeDoctor
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To: Paradox
Another thing, maybe this is a British thing?

While I don't think it's a "Brit thing" my exwife was a Brit. Looking back it seemed like she worked towards sabotaging our relationship. I sometimes wondered if she was actually trying to push me to be unfaithful.

On top of everything else she seemed to want to be miserable. After living in the U.S. for a short time she announced that she hated Americans. Later; when we were living in Germany she decided she hated Germans. I had enough of her behavior and filed for a legal separation (pending divorce). I arranged for her and her property back to the U.K. A few weeks later I heard from her. She remarked that England no longer seemed like home and "she hated Brits."

Last I heard she moved back to the U.S.

I grew tired of the dating/hooking up scene very quickly. One of the reasons I had to end the marriage was the emptiness and I didn't want to trade one form of emptiness for another. I got involved with things that interested me that took me out of the house (that didn't involve heavy drinking and more "hook-ups"). I eventually met my current (and last) wife. Neither of us were "looking for someone." We just were fortunate.

253 posted on 01/25/2008 11:48:44 AM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: xsmommy
sad. i was 29 when i got married, and will be celebrating my 23d wedding anniversary this year. i was old enough, and knew who i was, as did my hub. it makes a difference to the eventual success of a relationship that you know yourself, you are very right.

Excellent! You said it better than the posts I wrote. Sometimes people marry before they know themselves. Should they stay in something forever because they made a mistake when they were young?

254 posted on 01/25/2008 11:49:13 AM PST by HungarianGypsy
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To: frogjerk

She looks like that “woman suit” that Arnold Shwarzenegger wore in “The Running Man”.


255 posted on 01/25/2008 11:49:33 AM PST by quack
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To: Mr. Brightside
Anyone who is married already knows this.

Not really. On a bad week I only get sex 2 nights a week from my wife. This week has been a great week. 4 times. And it is just Friday. :>))

256 posted on 01/25/2008 11:50:00 AM PST by JackDanielsOldNo7 (On guard until the seal is broken)
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To: najida
Honestly, It sounds like she doesn’t even like her husband, much less love him.

No, she likes him, but only "as a friend".

This woman needs a clue as to what "love" and "marriage" are all about.

It takes work to have a good marriage and a LOT of work to have a great marriage.

257 posted on 01/25/2008 11:50:36 AM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: xsmommy

You are very lucky and very blessed.

I do believe that a lot of humans born on this planet aren’t suited for marriage. Doesn’t mean they’re bad, or a freak, just they would be miserable and make others miserable in the process.

Sadly, the majority don’t know this.


258 posted on 01/25/2008 11:51:05 AM PST by najida (I am so grateful that stupid isn't contagious.)
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To: najida

Then you have nothing to fear!


259 posted on 01/25/2008 11:51:46 AM PST by JRios1968 (Don't mess with tigers, for you are crunchy and chewy...)
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To: Hemorrhage
true beauty is beautiful first thing in the morning, with sleepy eyes, mussed hair, and needing a shower.
260 posted on 01/25/2008 11:51:54 AM PST by ArrogantBustard
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