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Sorry, but marriage and sex DON'T go together (British wife's book)
Daily Mail ^ | 25th January 2008 | SADIE NICHOLAS

Posted on 01/25/2008 9:44:11 AM PST by nickcarraway

Carrie Jones hasn't had sex with her husband Hal, a City banker, for the past four years. Nor does she want to. Sex is something she can no longer summon the effort to endure - with the man she married, at least.

She admits she stays in her sexless relationship for the sake of her children, aged nine and 11, and will remain celibate until the day they are grown up and she feels able to leave. At which point, she confesses, she will probably abandon her husband and begin a sexual odyssey to find the satisfaction that eludes her.

An unusual case? A sorry lack of libido? She insists not. "If I thought I was unique in my sexual disappointment I'd probably be suicidal," muses Carrie, 45, a publishing executive, who lives in North London with Hal and their children.

"I remember the first time my girlfriends and I admitted that we all felt the same about married sex as parents: we couldn't be bothered with it and felt guilty for not wanting to sleep with our husbands. It was a revelation. I remember thinking: 'Thank God! It's not just me!'

Carrie Jones: 'Providing a stable home for children is totally incompatible with having an exciting sex life'

"Now I believe there are thousands of other married women who would love to admit sex isn't all it's cracked up to be. But, if the constant cliches in women's magazines and chick-lit are to believed, we should all be enjoying prowess in the boardroom and swooning every night in the bedroom.

"It's the great taboo that no one dares admit - that sex is often a let-down."

So convinced is Carrie that her experience of sex in marriage - initially pleasant, dwindling to nothing at all after having children - is a universal one that she has just written a book, under an assumed name, highlighting the disappointment of her sex life.

"It's a sort of 'Frigid Jones' Diary'," she laughs, though she is not joking. "I want to break the taboo. Sex frequently isn't the chandelier-swinging experience that certain authors would have us believe is every woman's rite of passage.

"For me, the sense of being special to Hal faded away just as it did with previous boyfriends. I became obsessed with agony columns, poring over letters talking of boring marriages and the temptation of affairs and willing just one agony aunt to advise someone to run off with a lover.

"Of course, they never did. It was always: 'Go and work at your marriage.' But I didn't want to work on mine. I wanted someone to say: 'Actually, perhaps nothing will make you want to sleep with your husband again,' which is how I feel.

"I've made my choice. For now I'm caught up in marriage's net, bound up with responsibilities to my children. My interest in sex with the person I was supposed to be closest to has died. I could leave but for now I'll wait because of the desolation it would wreak on my family.

"I want to maintain the family unit because it makes other things possible, like doing things together with the children. But one day, when they are older and I can think about my own needs again, I may leave and start all over again.

"In the meantime, I want to tell other women that they are not alone in not wanting to have sex with their long-term partners. I don't think it's possible to maintain the passion of the initial chase. But it doesn't mean you won't experience those feelings again with someone else."

She may be considering an extreme - some would say distasteful and selfish - course of action for the future but Carrie's upbringing was very conventional. A Cambridge graduate, she was raised in Yorkshire, the only child of teacher parents whose marriage, she says, "was pretty dull".

She and Hal were introduced by friends when they were both 33, and she admits that they "clicked brilliantly".

They had sex up to five times a week before having children. But like her previous experiences, the longer the relationship lasted, the more disappointing it became.

"The problem is that sex in a long-term relationship inevitably becomes less alluring as domesticity sets in," she says. "Hal and I were very well suited in terms of our personalities and common interest in books, music, art and films but we never had the kind of wild, passionate sex that leaves you wanting more.

"Like most successful long-term partnerships, our relationship wasn't built on sex or passion. At best, sex was simply fine."

But even the "fine" sex Carrie recalls was soon replaced by despondency once the couple's first child was born.

"I did the middle-class mother thing in a big way," she says. "I gave up my career, breast-fed each child for a year and spent my days in a dizzy whirl of playgroups and coffee mornings.

"I'd flipped from wife to mother, and it gave me excuses - often genuine - to cold-shoulder my husband's sexual advances. He knew I was tired from the children and was always very understanding. He's an unusually kind and tolerant man." Indeed he must be.

Certainly, once the first flush of love and lust gives way to familiarity, domesticity and parenthood, few would argue that making love is the wanton adventure it was. But Carrie goes one step further. She believes that marriage and motherhood are simply not conducive to having a sex life at all.

"Providing a stable home for children is totally incompatible with having an exciting sex life. The two things are violently at odds," she adds.

"After umpteen years with the same person, sex is bound to get boring. Some people put themselves first, have affairs or simply leave their marriages in search of sexual adventure.

"I've chosen to sacrifice sexual thrills in order to do the right thing by my kids."

But a martyr Carrie isn't, and surely Hal does not feel she is doing the right thing by him. The couple still share a bed, though physical contact is strictly off limits.

"We've never discussed the demise of our sex life," she says. "It was more a case of reaching a low ebb of energy on my part.

"For a long time I didn't even realise it was the end of marital sex for us. But when years have passed, you realise it ended a long time ago."

Unbelievably, her poor, unsuspecting husband is not only unaware of her plans to leave him. He also, she insists, has no idea that she has written a book or posed for these pictures. She seems as confident of him not finding out as she is that he is understanding of her feelings.

For when asked whether she worries that Hal may seek sexual gratification elsewhere, she says: "I'm not concerned. I don't think that would happen. It's not Hal's fault that I wish to remain celibate; it's nothing he's said or done. He's a good man and a great dad. It's just that I don't want to be intimate with him any more."

Such cold words must leave her husband reeling? She insists not.

"There's a general understanding between us that I'm keeping the family unit together," she says. "Children need to be brought up by parents in a monogamous marriage. I wouldn't want to blow that apart, and I certainly wouldn't want the burden of being a single parent.

"I know from taking the kids on holiday on my own once when Hal was working that having sole responsibility for them is exhausting."

So what of her sexual history? It seems that Carrie wasn't always this uninterested in sex. She admits to having 23 lovers before she married.

"Ten were proper boyfriends," she recalls. "I regretted having sex with six of them, loved three of them but only one of the 23 ever gave me an orgasm.

"As I entered my thirties, it was obvious my sex life had a recurring, rather depressing pattern: intense desire to begin with followed, if the relationship survived long enough, by a slow winding down into indifference.

"Only an affair with a married man called John bucked the trend. But that was doomed by its very nature."

Five years ago, Carrie almost cheated on her husband after regaining contact with an old flame on the website Friends Reunited.

"I nearly lost my virginity to Mark when we were 17, but my mother arrived home as we enjoyed a fumble in my bedroom," she recalls.

"He was gorgeous, looked like a man even back then in his school uniform, and remained in my consciousness for all those years.

"When I looked on Friends Reunited, it was an enormous thrill just to find Mark's name. I e-mailed him immediately. He replied with an update on his life and said he was single - I was intoxicated.

"We began to exchange flirtatious emails, then text messages and phone calls which became increasingly fraught with sexual tension.

"After a few months of tantalising cyber sex, I booked a flight to go and see him in Germany, where he was living, over Easter 2003. But between booking the flight and the departure date, Mark found a girlfriend. I was distraught, my hopes of sexual adventure dashed."

Did Carrie not feel an ounce of guilt about her plans to cheat on Hal? "I had been feeling so sour about my sex life with Hal.

"But, back in contact with Mark, I suddenly discovered that my sexual urge wasn't dead as I had feared, just dormant.

"It was glorious to feel aroused again, and those feelings blocked out any guilt I might otherwise have felt about Hal.

"For the few months that Mark and I flirted online, I had two existences: one where I cooked and cleaned and went frigidly to bed at night. And another where I had butterflies in my stomach and stole off to write sexy, flirty emails and text messages to a man I hadn't seen for more than 20 years."

Eventually Carrie was forced to confess her feelings about Mark to her husband after he discovered the email exchanges between the two on her computer. Astonishingly, Hal comforted her while she sobbed and, she says, for a short time the pair were closer and more able to talk.

"But as time went on, it became clear this was just an interlude in our marriage rather than a permanent change," admits Carrie. "The old coldness returned and, since then, I have been unable to have sex with my husband."

Such a sorry tale of a sexless, unfulfilling marriage is in stark contrast to the current throng of writers littering the Amazon book charts with jaw-dropping memoirs of lurid sex lives.

Carrie admits that part of her envies those authors who claim to be having lots of sex and, more significantly, love it. The other part of her just doesn't believe them.

"I do wonder if they are just writing what they think the audience wants to hear," she says. "I read their accounts of wild sex lives and then ponder my own sexual encounters and wonder: 'Where was the fun, the screaming ecstasy, the fireworks?'"

Perhaps when her children are grown up, Carrie will do as she intends and leave her marriage.

Only then will she know whether the fantasy of taking in multiple lovers and never committing to one man is a greater thrill than being in a monogamous marriage.

• Cutting Up Playgirl: A Cheerful Memoir Of Sexual Disappointment, by Carrie Jones, published by Old Street on February 15, £8.99.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: bookreview; genderwars; marriage; sex
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To: nickcarraway
She's paying her hubby the ultimate compliment: Women are hardwired, more so than men, to ensure the survival of the tribe. She is tactfully approving of him to make babies, strong babies that will ensure continuity.

She knows she's risking a reduced standard of living should he leave her, a risk she is quite willing to make for the sake of the tribe.

101 posted on 01/25/2008 10:30:46 AM PST by investigateworld ( Abortion stops a beating heart.)
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To: mrsmel

I didn’t say its enough for a satisfying long term relationship ... if your married to someone that’s good in the sack, but otherwise insufferable — you’re in for a rough life (though not as rough as someone who’s married to an insufferable person that’s lousy in the sack).

But — working your way through the Kama Sutra is nonetheless a worthwhile endeavor.

H


102 posted on 01/25/2008 10:31:52 AM PST by SnakeDoctor
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To: nickcarraway

Public blank check ping!


103 posted on 01/25/2008 10:32:54 AM PST by wildbill
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To: Crusher138

Spontaneity takes a backseat when kids come along. Our little darlings seem to always need our attention at the most inopportune times, even though only moments before they were well occupied! Just when you think you have a few stolen moments...

Relationships evolve...needs evolve...you have to roll with it. Congrats on almost 22 years!


104 posted on 01/25/2008 10:33:14 AM PST by jnygrl (A big mouth coupled with a small mind is a dangerous combination)
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To: Mr. Brightside; mrsmel; ShadowAce; goodwithagun; najida; opus86; JoanVarga; frithguild; ...
"...the poor hub who married this nag on the homestretch of her libido."

Well put. She talks like she's the first but in our good ole USA women (not ladies) have been publishing books about this for a few years already.

Caitlin Flanagan writes about this in an article from a couple of years ago in Atlantic Monthly. She cites feminists who are out to embarrass their husbands like the author above. But she calls them on it and describes it accurately -- that sexual politics has become totally one-sided, favoring the woman, and that a woman out of love should get back into bed with her husband. The article is called "The Wifely Duty" but that is more tongue-in-cheek. Caitlin has published a book, and was interviewed by Stephen Colbert on his show within the last year or so. The interview is hilarious.

For those men who lament about the bedplay (or lack thereof) in their marriages, suggest you find the article and give it to your wife, along with Dr Laura's book on the "Care and Feeding of Husbands." It turned around my marriage a few years ago.

105 posted on 01/25/2008 10:33:22 AM PST by tom h
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To: Hegewisch Dupa
When I was younger and less jaded I had the attitude that if you married someone it could last through almost anything. None of this growing apart or what have you. If you married your best friend and you fell "out of love", but still loved your partner as your best friend you could eventually regain that love and passion. After all, we all go through dry spells. But, what if the spouse is no longer your best friend and it's just not there at all?

I know someone who has been going through this and it's changed my view on things. Because her husband is a good guy and everyone tells her this, but as they have gotten older they have different viewpoints on everything. She thought she had a low libido and blamed herself for it. Should she continue this way for next forty or fifty years, becoming increasingly more miserable and probably making him miserable in the end? Or should they both have a chance to find someone more compatible? It's unfair to both of them in the long run.

106 posted on 01/25/2008 10:33:56 AM PST by HungarianGypsy
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To: Alright_on_the_LeftCoast
Is this the woman who wrote the article/book?


107 posted on 01/25/2008 10:34:44 AM PST by Lucky9teen (“A leader in the Democratic Party is a boss, in the Republican Party he is a leader.” Harry Truman)
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To: ArrogantBustard
She sounds boring.

That's why I said, "It’s a malady that commonly strikes boring people."

108 posted on 01/25/2008 10:35:36 AM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: nickcarraway

Hillary is just like this woman only she is staying in the relationship not for Chelsea, but for her political ambitions. Wonder what happens to Bill if she loses??


109 posted on 01/25/2008 10:35:44 AM PST by Anti-Hillary (Anyone but Hitlery)
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To: nickcarraway
"It is my observation that women who don't believe in sex before marriage, often don't believe in sex after marriage either." -L. Neil Smith.

There is something fundamentally "broken" with the above gals scenario.

110 posted on 01/25/2008 10:36:04 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: najida
I will say this, she seriously, deep down inside dislikes her husband-— there may be more to this story.

She outlines her sexual history. Her issues aren't centered on her husband...

111 posted on 01/25/2008 10:36:45 AM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: dan1123

Erm,
Again, it’s a two way street....A man can say ‘she’s a fat pig’ and wifey can say ‘he’s a two second rocket with a 3 inch fuse’. I actually know of a case like this...where both partners had physical, erm, issues.

You have to both care about each other enough to fix what’s wrong. And yes, sex should be special, but it also should be approached with a ‘I won’t settle for blah’ attitude, which sometimes puts it into the more pragmatic ‘find what crisps your bacon’ category.

As for anticipation= mindblowing sex....erm, not always for a woman.


112 posted on 01/25/2008 10:37:15 AM PST by najida (I am so grateful that stupid isn't contagious.)
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To: timm22
I don't think anyone would try to justify his selfish behavior. And I don't think he would be justified if it turned out that he had hidden issues with his wife.

Oh, but that doesn't fall in line with the feminist double standard. Deprive the wife of emotional connection that women value most in marriage is horrible and inexcusable. Deprive the husband of sexual connection that men value most in marriage is just fine. Men should just learn to appreciate the emotional connection more and stop the base and uncivilized desires for a marital love life. :-P
113 posted on 01/25/2008 10:37:42 AM PST by dan1123 (You are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. --Jesus)
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To: Mr. Brightside

See post 105. That described our household until a few years ago. Now it’s much better.


114 posted on 01/25/2008 10:38:01 AM PST by tom h
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To: Hemorrhage
Then we agree, because I wasn't saying that it's not a good thing :) I was saying that it's not enough and that even that won't last if there's nothing else. Men especially get bored too easily if nothing but sex is holding them to you-there will always be someone new that they want to "discover". No woman (or man) is that good when it's sex and nothing else.
115 posted on 01/25/2008 10:38:43 AM PST by mrsmel
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To: HungarianGypsy

truly a tough call...


116 posted on 01/25/2008 10:39:13 AM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Dead Corpse

It is my observation that L. Neil Smith is wrong about many things ... this article provides a contrary view. The author seems to “believe in sex” everywhere except marriage.


117 posted on 01/25/2008 10:39:58 AM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: JoanVarga

Sounds like an old joke. How do you cure a British nymphomaniac? Marry her.


118 posted on 01/25/2008 10:40:14 AM PST by hometoroost (...the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual. Galileo)
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To: dan1123; timm22

You keep that up and I AM going to have to ping the Evil Women. ;)


119 posted on 01/25/2008 10:40:42 AM PST by najida (I am so grateful that stupid isn't contagious.)
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To: tom h

The very fact that she would even publicly embarrass her husband like this leads me to suspect that she’s got more than a little blame to bear for his lack of interest in her. Yeah, a woman like her would really make a man feel like a “conquering hero” in the bedroom.


120 posted on 01/25/2008 10:40:42 AM PST by mrsmel
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