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Measure would shelve state income tax (AZ)
Capitol Media Services ^ | Howard Fischer

Posted on 01/22/2008 8:56:50 AM PST by Lucky9teen

Arizona voters may get the chance to scrap the state income tax on what they earn in favor of expanded sales taxes on what they buy.

The proposal by Rep. Rick Murphy, R-Glendale, would establish a levy on every transaction in the state. That would include not just the products subject to the current state sales tax but also services that now are exempt.

HCR2053 even would extend to wholesale transactions — purchases made by those who are not the ultimate consumers but plan to either resell the item or use the materials to make something else. These sales, too, also are not subject to the tax.

And it even would tax the sale of homes and land.

Murphy said he figures voters are sufficiently unhappy with income taxes to be willing to try something radically different. But Murphy said he believes the simplicity of the system, coupled with the fairness of it, will make believers even out of the skeptics.

But, at least for the moment, the actual cost of the levy is unclear.

Variants of the idea have been around for years. But what may give the concept some “legs” is the fact that Republican presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee has made enacting the idea on a national level a key part of his platform.

And Murphy said it will be structured so that it does not unfairly hit those at the bottom of the income scale.

He added that taxing spending rather than income would provide an incentive for people to save rather than spend.

He acknowledged that sales taxes are seen as “regressive,” taking a bigger chunk of the income of those whose earnings are below the median than those who are above. That’s one reason Arizona lawmakers agreed decades ago to exempt food from the state sales tax, an exemption that does not exist in Murphy’s plan.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: arizona; statetax
Hmmm...
1 posted on 01/22/2008 8:56:52 AM PST by Lucky9teen
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To: Lucky9teen

Interesting development. Looks like the grassroots efforts are beginning to pay off.


2 posted on 01/22/2008 8:59:35 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion...)
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To: Lucky9teen

Now if only our federal government would take the example. People say it won’t work but Texas, Florida and Tennessee all use this principle and it seems to work. Guess those of us who believe in the fair tax are just short sighted. {sarc.}


3 posted on 01/22/2008 9:03:20 AM PST by KodakKing (Freedom isn't free. Just ask any soldier. www.anysoldier.com)
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To: Lucky9teen

For years I have paid AZ income tax. In doing so, I was unable to use that money to put away for my retirement. Now, I am retired and have virtually NO income tax and they bump the sales tax. Poooop!


4 posted on 01/22/2008 9:04:32 AM PST by dbacks (Taglines for sale or rent.)
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To: PubliusMM
Interesting development. Looks like the grassroots efforts are beginning to pay off.

Yep, I would think the people living in border towns would really like this.

5 posted on 01/22/2008 9:10:57 AM PST by Prokopton
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To: Lucky9teen

I don’t know... with our state income tax rates currently between 2.5% and 4.5%, and with more deductions than the feds allow, I’m not sure we’ll be better off. Meanwhile, everything will cost more. Would love to see some numbers on this.


6 posted on 01/22/2008 9:19:16 AM PST by Migraine (...diversity is great... until it happens to YOU...)
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To: Lucky9teen

This isn’t a sales tax- it’s a VAT. The only state that has anything approaching the VAT is Michigan. I wonder how that’s working out for them....


7 posted on 01/22/2008 9:35:39 AM PST by Eepsy (The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.)
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To: Lucky9teen

If your job or business/livelihood is in any way dependent on snow birds, tourism or retirees you can kiss it goodbye if this passes.


8 posted on 01/22/2008 9:38:27 AM PST by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movemractent have in common? Disinformation)
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To: Lucky9teen

Senator McCain would vote against this.


9 posted on 01/22/2008 9:38:57 AM PST by johnthebaptistmoore
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To: lewislynn

Like those in Flagstaff & surrounding areas?

I wondered how/if this “flat tax” idea would work?


10 posted on 01/22/2008 9:39:36 AM PST by Lucky9teen (“A leader in the Democratic Party is a boss, in the Republican Party he is a leader.” Harry Truman)
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To: Lucky9teen

Taxing wholesale business sales is ridiculous. This would be a major ding to Arizona Businesses trying to compete with out of state comapnies and would add significantly to the cost of products. - Imaagine the government stealing their 5% at every level of the suppply chain, raw materials - rough manufacture- finish manufacture, wholesaler, retailer. Insane.


11 posted on 01/22/2008 9:40:39 AM PST by azcap
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To: Migraine
Sometimes you need to be careful on what you wish for. Now a flat tax is something I can easily gage. A value added tax is out in lala land for me. I don’t know what would be equable.
12 posted on 01/22/2008 9:41:33 AM PST by Parley Baer
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To: PubliusMM

I would rather pay a $1-2K/year in AZ income tax than $32-40K sales tax on my home.


13 posted on 01/22/2008 9:47:49 AM PST by bnacat
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To: bnacat

Income tax is always evil.

It allows the state to inspect all aspects of you income to see if they can fine you or jail you.

Income tax is always applied unevenly and thus is unfair.

Income tax is hidden.

A sales tax would have to be raised on all the people at the same time. This makes all the people unhappy at the same time, a nature way to keep taxes low.


14 posted on 01/22/2008 10:00:16 AM PST by Goldwater and Gingrich
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To: Lucky9teen
Like those in Flagstaff & surrounding areas?
Havasu...Grand Canyon...
15 posted on 01/22/2008 10:39:35 AM PST by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movemractent have in common? Disinformation)
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To: KodakKing
People say it won’t work but Texas, Florida and Tennessee all use this principle and it seems to work. Guess those of us who believe in the fair tax are just short sighted. {sarc.}
Then why isn't the Fairtax like any of them?

Do any of those states impose "sales taxes" on services? Do any of those states send out monthly checks to offset their sales tax for example?

16 posted on 01/22/2008 10:49:56 AM PST by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movemractent have in common? Disinformation)
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To: Lucky9teen

Let me get my house sold first!


17 posted on 01/22/2008 1:10:56 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Global warming is to Revelations as the theory of evolution is to Genesis.)
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