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M.L. King ally says U.S. holiday an insult
Brietbart and UPI ^ | 21 Jan 08 | None listed

Posted on 01/21/2008 2:04:38 PM PST by SkyPilot

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To: SkyPilot

“We’ve allowed white America to escape the guilt of his assassination and we’ve allowed black America to drift back into a coma.”

The only guilt that I feel is that we wasted a good workday on a lefty piece of crap.


61 posted on 01/21/2008 3:48:52 PM PST by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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To: DejaJude; montag813
"So all of “White America” was to blame for the minority of states where blacks were harrassed and attacked? I don’t recall any “White Only” signs in Connecticut."-montag813

"None in California either."-DejaJude

Nor here in Michigan.
62 posted on 01/21/2008 3:57:31 PM PST by Main Street (Stuck in traffic)
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To: All
"People would be judged, not by the color of their skin, but the content of their character."

MLK is the one person designated by the politically correct elite upon the masses wherein that rule will not be allowed.

"Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets."-Luke 6:26
63 posted on 01/21/2008 4:01:01 PM PST by Main Street (Stuck in traffic)
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To: SkyPilot
I wonder if the The Rev. Peter Johnson has considered:
Shiloh: 24,000 Casualties
Antetam: 26,000 Casualties
Chancellorsville: 30,000 Casualties
Vicksburg: 35,000 Casualties
Gettysburg: 51,000 Casualties
Most of those were white Americans.

The Rev. is an idiot.

64 posted on 01/21/2008 4:02:22 PM PST by mc5cents (Show me just what Mohammd brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman)
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To: mc5cents

Unseal the File.


65 posted on 01/21/2008 4:03:47 PM PST by Mojohemi
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To: Mojohemi

Only cowards would keep a file sealed ! They are afraid of the content! The FBI is wrong or King did not leave a nice history !! Stop the pretense!! Open the file..


66 posted on 01/21/2008 4:06:32 PM PST by Mojohemi
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To: SkyPilot

Ok, let’s make the minister happy and have two MLK holidays in a year: one holiday for Black America and one guilt day for White America?


67 posted on 01/21/2008 4:10:44 PM PST by citizencon
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To: Mojohemi

The fact remains, the file exist! I personally do not care if it is ever open but, people are fast to forget!! King was far from Perfect and I am sure he would not want you believe he was. I lived through the entire ordeal. He was not a one bit like Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton. I think the man had a little character.


68 posted on 01/21/2008 4:12:58 PM PST by Mojohemi
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To: SkyPilot
"We've allowed white America to escape the guilt of his assassination and we've allowed black America to drift back into a coma."

For an encore we should allow racial bigots to slide back into obscurity after they have spewed their hate from the pulpit.

69 posted on 01/21/2008 4:16:05 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: SkyPilot
DALLAS, Jan. 21 (UPI) -- A Dallas minister who marched with civil rights leader the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., said Monday's birthday observance holiday is an insult to his legacy.

I agree that the holiday dedicated to one man is an insult to all who marched for civil rights. The day should be renamed "Civil Rights Day," so that all who worked and died for civil rights, both black and white would be honored.

70 posted on 01/21/2008 4:18:23 PM PST by olezip
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To: Mojohemi

I also lived through the King years, and if you’re like the great majority of Americans alive back then, you and I only saw what the papers and the televised media let us see. I ended up in the middle of the ‘67 Detroit race riots (known today as a “civil rights uprising”, PC+) , patrolling the area around the J.L. Hudson department store. What I saw and experienced was completely different than what the media reported. An example of just how the media “protected” King’s image can best conveyed in a first hand account told to me by a friend who worked as a guard at the NBD (National Bank of Detroit). One day a black limo pulled up followed by a van and other vehicles. A large media entourage followed soon after. Low and behold, in walked MLK with a cigar in his mouth, and what was obvious to him to be two prostitutes (or as he put it, “ladies of the evening”), one on each arm. As King walked in to the bank with his “lady friends”, others dragged garbage cans full of money into the bank. He said King laughed and talked to the media who was there, completely unconcerned about what they saw. And the reason soon be became quite evident as the various news photographers TOOK NO PICTURES. It was obvious to him that the news crews were protecting King’s image, and King seemed quite assured they would.

And the beat goes on, as the media continues to protect King’s image without the slightest bit of investigation or criticism of his past, or his character. Preferring to ONLY convey the manufactured attributes of a saint; a lie that America has bought into. It’s called social brain-washing on a massive scale. In all my life I have never seen another individual receive such an iron clad cover of absolute media protection. Even the life of JFK, the darling of the left, has come under closer scrutiny, but not MLK.


71 posted on 01/21/2008 4:25:02 PM PST by Main Street (Stuck in traffic)
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To: Some Fat Guy in L.A.

The biggest racists in the US today are the prejudiced black race hustlers. I find far more racism in black perceptions of comments or criticism as racism, rather than being simply comments or criticism.

For example, a few weeks back I was in an office supply store and was served by a very large black man (6’2” - 350 lb) - rather unusual in an office supply store. So, after some discussion, we finally figured out what I might want, and I left. I returned an hour later and approached what I thought was the same man, didn’t know what I was talking about when I said I wanted we discussed, and he said you must have talked to ____. And I was surprised, so I said “You mean you have another big black guy working here?”, and he got really insulted for calling him an over 6’ nearly 400 lb, dark Negro, for calling him “a big black guy”.

I am getting so fed up, I am no longer pandering to all these irrational sensitivities. -


72 posted on 01/21/2008 4:53:15 PM PST by XBob (Jail the employers of the INVADERS !!)
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To: cowdog77

I wish to make it clear that I think that Martin Luther King was a man of enormous courage, charisma, and intellect that profoundly altered the course of American history and made it a better country in so far has its promise of justice for all is concerned.
This does not mean however that his legacy to the Civil Rights movement has been one of unalloyed good. I believe much of his bequeathment resulted in an over reliance on big government statist solutions to problems within the black community that require individual initiatives to correct. Martin Luther King’s frequent references to this nation’s founding documents are well known. His reflections on Communism are much less well known and undoubtedly contributed to his general philosophy. We owe it to ourselves to examine the effects of this legacy and contextualize it so has to solve the problems facing the black community today.
While King himself was not a communist, he did business with communists and was influenced by them. This delicate subject, made more so given the martyrdom and subsequent lionization of King, should nevertheless be broached as a means of providing insight into some of the darker forces that worked their way into what was essentially a pro American, conservative, Christian civil rights movement.
King surrounded himself with communists from the beginning of his career. The Southern Christian Leadership Conference, formed in 1957 and led by King, had Rev. Fred Shuttlesworth as Vice President who was at the same time president of the Southern Conference Education Fund, an identified communist front according to the Legislative Committee on un-American Activities, Louisiana (Report April 13, 1964 pp. 31-38). The field director of SCEF was Carl Braden, a known communist agitator who was also involved in the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, which counted Lee Harvey Oswald, the communist assassin of President Kennedy as a member. King maintained regular correspondence with Carl Braden. Bayard Rustin, a known communist, was also on the board of SCLC.

Dr. King addressed the Highlander Folk School in Monteagle, Tenn., 1957, previously known as the Commonwealth College until the House Committee on un-American Activities sited it as a communist front (April 27, 1949). HCAA found that Commonwealth was using religion as a way to infiltrate the African-American community by, among other techniques, comparing New Testament texts to those of Karl Marx. King knew many communists associated with the Highlander school.
King hired communist official Hunter Pitts O’Dell, 1960, at the SCLC. The St. Louis Globe Democrat reported (Oct. 26, 1962) “A Communist has infiltrated the top administrative post in the Rev. Martin Luther King’s SCLC. He is Jack H. O’Dell, acting executive director of conference activities in the southeastern states including Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana.” Dr. King fired O’Dell when this became public but subsequently rehired him to head the SCLC New York office.
King himself expresses a Marxist outlook in his book “Stride Toward Freedom” when he stated, “in spite of the shortcomings of his analysis, Marx had raised some basic questions. I was deeply concerned from my early teen days about the gulf between superfluous wealth and abject poverty, and my reading of Marx made me even more conscious of this gulf. Although modern American capitalism has greatly reduced the gap through social reforms, there was still need for a better distribution of wealth. Moreover, Marx had revealed the danger of the profit motive as the sole basis of an economic system”
King, unfortunately, didn’t understand that it was Capitalism and freedom that was responsible for the successes the African-American community already had achieved in his day and the key to future success. By “better distribution of wealth” King meant state control over the economy. His contempt for “the profit motive” was unfortunate given that African-Americans should’ve been encouraged by their leaders to seek fair profit to the best of their ability. King’s leftist ideas contributed to an opening of the floodgates to such radicals as Stokley Carmichael, H. Rap Brown, the Black Panthers, as well as the burning and looting of African-American neighborhoods, the institutionalizing of poverty perpetrating welfare, the destruction of the family, drugs, violence, racism, and crime.
In “Stride Toward Freedom” Dr. King states “In short, I read Marx as I read all of the influential historical thinkers from a dialectical point of view, combining a partial yea and a partial no. My readings of Marx convinced me that truth is found neither in Marxism nor in traditional capitalism. Each represents a partial truth. Historically capitalism failed to see truth in collective enterprise and Marxism failed to see the truth in individual enterprise. The Kingdom of God is neither the thesis of individual enterprise nor the antithesis of collective enterprise, but a synthesis which reconciles the truths of both.”
King, like Marx, Lenin, and Stalin, had “a dialectical point of view.” The goal of the dialectic is authoritarianism. A nation, to paraphrase Abraham Lincoln, cannot be half free and half slave. By advocating socialism, King chose an imperious stand toward his own people in contrast to a stand for genuine freedom, self-rule, self-sufficiency, private ownership, and the accumulation of capital. King did not advocate the American system of free market capitalism. Instead, he stood for a system that has stunted the growth of African-Americans as well as the rest of us.
All Marxists believe in Hegelian Dialectics. This is a belief that “progress” is achieved through conflict between opposing viewpoints. Any ideological assertion (thesis) will create its own opposite (antithesis). Progress is achieved when a conclusion (synthesis) is reached which espouses aspects of both the thesis and antithesis.
For example, Hitler had a dialectical point of view. He rejected Marxist class warfare, but embraced the basic socialist idea of the insignificance of the individual compared to the collective state.
This belief in dialectical progress is why liberals pit the rich against the poor, old against young, black against white, men against women, gay against straight, ad nauseam.
This issue is somewhat clouded by what Dr. King wrote in his 1957 book “Stride toward Freedom: the Montgomery story”, in which he wrote the following devastating critique of the sort of communism practiced in the Communist super state of the Union of Soviet Socialist republics.
“During the Christmas holidays of 1949 I decided to spend my spare time reading Karl Marx to try to understand the appeal of communism for many people. For the first time I carefully scrutinized *Das Kapital and The Communist Manifesto. I also read some interpretive works on the thinking of Marx and Lenin. In reading such Communist writings I drew certain conclusions that have remained with me as convictions to this day.
First, I rejected their materialistic interpretation of history. Communism, avowedly secularist and materialistic, has no place for God. This I could never accept, for as a Christian, I believe that there is a creative personal power in the universe who is the ground and essence of all reality-a power that cannot be explained in materialistic terms. History is ultimately guided by spirit, not matter.
Second, I strongly disagreed with communism’s ethical relativism. Since for the Communist there is no divine government, no absolute moral order, there are no fixed, immutable principles; consequently almost anything-force, violence murder, lying-is a justifiable means to the ‘millennial’ end. This type of relativism was abhorrent to me. Constructive ends can never give absolute moral justification to destructive means, because in the final analysis the end is pre-existent in the means.
Third, I opposed communism’s political totalitarianism. In communism, the individual ends up in subjection to the state. True, the Marxists would argue that the state is an ‘interim’ reality which is to be eliminated when the classless society emerges; but the state is the end while it lasts, and man is only a means to that end. And if man’s so-called rights and liberties stand in the way of that end, they are simply swept aside. His liberties of expression, his freedom to vote, and his freedom to listen to what news he likes or to choose his books are all restricted. Man becomes hardly more, in communism, than a depersonalized cog in the turning wheel of the state.
This deprecation of individual freedom was objectionable to me. I am convinced now, as I was then, that man is an end because he is a child of God. Man is not made for the state; the state is made for man. To deprive man of freedom is to relegate him to the status of a thing, rather than elevate him to the status of a person. Man must never be treated as means to the end of the state; but always as an end within himself.”
Martin Luther King Jr., *Stride Toward Freedom: The Montgomery Story* (New York: Harper and Row, 1957), 92-93
Let us not forget that the above was written in 1957, a period in which the oppressions of the Soviet Union are painfully evident, evidenced by the brutal repression of the Hungarian uprising in 1956. At the time Stride toward Freedom was written, domestic attitudes toward communism could not have been more hostile. Toward the end of Dr. Martin Luther King’s life, the counterculture revolution of the sixties and the leftist tinted civil rights movement made favorable considerations of communism generally more palatable.
While Martin Luther King Day should be one of reflection and appreciation for what has been accomplished, and a reckoning of what still needs to be done, it should also be a day of understanding, in terms clear of emotionally driven rhetoric, where the civil rights movement went wrong. A major key to this understanding, I would contend, is the destructive effects that communist ideas and outright infiltration has had on the African-American community. Communists tried to use African-Americans as cannon fodder by stoking hatred and racial division. A predominantly white left-wing establishment promoted Black communists in order to preserve an informal system of oppression.
The fact is that he WAS a socialist and that goes to the heart of what went wrong with the civil rights establishment after the legal battles against codified discrimination were won.
I am a black man who has been getting callouses on my dome from butting heads with those in my community who refuse to relinquish big government statist solutions for the problems plaquing the black community in favor of free market solutions that are far more appropriate today. These forces frequently cite Dr. King and use his exhortations to government to lead the way. They specifically cite his socialist outlook as justification for their continuance.

MLK was a man of enormous charisma and courage and certainly a pivotal figure in the civil rights movement. There is much about him that I admire. An assesment of his life could creditably yield the adjective of great. Despite that, he does not deserve to be the ONLY American with his own holiday named after him. That honor should be reserved for only one person in American history, the greatest of all Americans, George Washington. More so than any other SINGLE figure in our history, he was the “indispensable man.” Without his courage, acumen, honor, and integrity, the US would simply not exist, and if it did, it probably would have been as a monarchy and certainly not as a constitutional republic.
MLK’s birthday was a sop to PC and a reflection of the DemocRAT Congress that voted it. The depth of MLK’s association with the most anti-freedom ideaology (Communism)of our time will prove to very embarrassing when it is fully revealed. Additionally, MLK’s legacy to the modern day civil rights movement is a socialist bequeathment, that of looking to big government solutions for many of the behavioral problems in today’s black community. MLK continues to cast a long shadow over most of the modern day civil rights establishment and black politicians who largely reject free market, educationally based solutions to the unique problems plaguing the black community.


73 posted on 01/21/2008 6:10:45 PM PST by DMZFrank
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To: silentreignofheroes

“Good , reckon we’ll start on ‘Stonewall Jacksons’”.

I celebrate Jackson’s birthday every year (January 21), as well as Lee’s (January 19).


74 posted on 01/24/2008 3:29:35 AM PST by ought-six
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To: Altura Ct.

Re: Your post #51

Excellent!


75 posted on 01/24/2008 3:30:59 AM PST by ought-six
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To: baa39

“That’s why it’s really an insult to Mr. King after all, because it’s so obviously trumped up.”

Yup. I think he’d be embarrassed.


76 posted on 01/24/2008 3:32:22 AM PST by ought-six
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