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Okay, no longer buried in Bloggers and Personal, here is an "official" Muddlestream Media account of the Department of Justice Amicus Brief on the DC Gun Ban.

Best regards to all,

1 posted on 01/20/2008 5:31:24 PM PST by Copernicus
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To: Joe Brower
Update on DC Amicus Brief.

Best regards,

2 posted on 01/20/2008 5:32:31 PM PST by Copernicus (Mary Carpenter Speaks About Gun Control http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=7CCB40F421ED4819)
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To: Copernicus
To all those who say Romney has the same views as George Bush, what I’ve been saying all along still holds true...Mitt Romney is no friend of the Second Amendment and would be a disaster on Second Amendment issues.
3 posted on 01/20/2008 5:38:24 PM PST by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: Copernicus
Administration Rankles Some With Stance in Handgun Case

I can assure you, this has more than rankled me.

I am a longtime Bush supporter. You can check my posts going back to 2,000 and not find any Bush bashing on my part. It has pained me that he let me down on immigration and I said so, but I sucked it up and held my water.

Shooting me in the back over my 2A rights, whowever, might be too much. If we lose this SCOTUS decision with GWB's help, I'll be more than bitter and certainly not forgiving. BTW, I'm being mild here and not posting my true anger over this.

5 posted on 01/20/2008 5:39:25 PM PST by umgud
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To: Copernicus

Hell, if I’d have known that “W” had all these major problems, I would have just gone fishing, instead of hauling my old butt out of bed, to vote for him!
“W” has got to be the biggest let down in my life!


10 posted on 01/20/2008 5:50:00 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: Copernicus

Here’s a better headline:

Bush is a Traitor.


11 posted on 01/20/2008 5:54:36 PM PST by GovernmentIsTheProblem (We are not to expect to be translated from despotism to liberty in a featherbed. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Copernicus
One has to be beyond moronic to submit such briefs before the Roberts court, an insult to the justices, and I sincerely hope the Roberts court tears apart these lawyers. I’m not holding my breath, but it would be proper for the court to assail everyone who submitted briefs that are so convoluted, contrary and twisted.
14 posted on 01/20/2008 6:05:30 PM PST by kingu (Fred08 - The Constitution is the value I'm voting for. What value are you voting for?)
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To: Copernicus; AlaskaErik; Neu Pragmatist; umgud; mcshot; driftdiver; SWAMPSNIPER; ...
Wow. What great friends you must make. Some guy at the Washington Post writes a story and quotes some half-cocked congressman and a failed candidate trolling for votes and you guys believe it without even so much as a second guess and suddenly think that President Bush is a gun grabbing Hitler socialist traitor. Do you really think Cantor or Thompson read the brief and would go on the record opposing wht the brief's chief concern is - that the test the appeals court applied opens the door to criminals having access to machine guns?

Why would any candidate pursue support or cater to the interests of a constituency so easily duped?

I read the Washington Post article. I read it a second time. It wasn't clear to me what the soliciter was saying, and I didn't trust the WashPost staff writer, so I went and dug up the actual brief in question.

Reading it carefully, it makes some sense and isn't any kind of backstabbing. It supports, clearly, the over-ruling of the gun ban in DC.

The point it is trying to make is that the US Gov't has for a long time had certain restrictions on what kind of weapons you could personally posess - like a nuclear weapon or a tank. The appeals court that over-turned the gun ban did so by applying a test that could potentially also over-turn a lot of other laws, like preventing criminals from getting guns or private ownership of heavy weaponry or of weapons that can get through a metal detector.

Now I understand that some of you think these kinds of laws are unconstitutional, and they may well be, but they are the status quo and have been for the last century and defending them on the books is hardly the kind of thing you need to flip out on the president over.

So cool your jets. And read the brief if you want right here.

24 posted on 01/20/2008 6:46:44 PM PST by mbraynard
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To: Copernicus
Fred D. Thompson (Tenn.) accused the Justice Department of "overlawyering" the issue.

And Fred is the ONLY one of the candidates to comment on this amicus by the DOJ!!!!!

38 posted on 01/20/2008 7:11:25 PM PST by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: Copernicus

I am sick of tilting at windmills. Is there anything we the base can do to force Bush to do our budding? Can we block his “legacy” issues in the Congress, such as denying a penny of aid to the Palestinian nazis? How about Republican Senators blocking his every appointment until he backs down on this?


77 posted on 01/20/2008 8:46:58 PM PST by montag813
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To: Copernicus
Sanford Levinson, a liberal constitutional scholar at the University of Texas who believes that the Second Amendment protects individual rights, called the administration's position "a gift to the Democratic Party" and urged his party's presidential candidates to embrace it.

The view that the amendment guarantees gun ownership subject to reasonable government restrictions is one that most voters would endorse, Levinson said.

No, not "reasonable restrictions. What part of "shall not be infringed" allows "reasonable" restrictions. This brief calls for "height ed scrutiny" of gun control laws. But the very least that the other rights protected by the Bill of Rights is "strict scrutiny". The difference is that in the former, the government would only need to show some legitimate "governmental purpose" for the restriction. They would not have to show that the restriction was effective in addressing that government purpose. Nor would they have to show that the restriction was the minimum possible to address the "governmental purpose".

Very few gun control laws could pass the "strict scrutiny" test. Most could and cording the governments brief, all current federal ones would.

A pox on both the "No individual right" and "resonable restrictions" bastids.

80 posted on 01/20/2008 9:27:20 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Copernicus

What if:
this brief brings the Dems out in support of “reasonable gun control{whatever the hell that is}”, ie this is a “see come” to get them to show their cards while tripping over their left feet, and forced to play to the base. This puts them on record and is fodder when whoever is the candidate tries to move to the center in the general election. The Dems have been avoiding gun issues like the plague. Stratergy??? I don’t know.
Actually I was pissed about the brief just like ya’ll.


84 posted on 01/20/2008 10:03:50 PM PST by Atchafalaya
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ...
Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
119 posted on 01/21/2008 8:51:16 AM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Copernicus

142 posted on 01/21/2008 12:13:44 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Copernicus

“Administration Rankles Some With Stance in Handgun Case (Presidential amicus brief on DC Gun Ban)”

Is there even ONE conservative remaining in America that isn’t at least a little bit disgusted with this pr*ck?


152 posted on 01/21/2008 1:18:33 PM PST by Grunthor (No Juan. No Huckaliar. Not primary, not general, not ever.)
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To: Copernicus

After reading the Brief, I am not opposed to its recommendation: remand the decision back to the lower court for further review.


165 posted on 01/21/2008 4:12:57 PM PST by Lord_Calvinus
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To: Copernicus
“One conservative Web site said the administration had “blundered in catastrophic fashion,”

MERELY more in keeping with a series of catastrophic blunders by a President who either presented himself as something he was not, or is lacking in certain reasoning capabilities, or both.

Merely the sight of this impostor turns my stomach.

His failure to punish the Fallujans for the butchery of American contractors back in his first term turned an up until then successful military operation into a catastrophe. The Muslims stared and he blinked.

He went on to demonstrate his lack of reasoning abilities, or fraudulent credentials - choose them as you will, with Harriet Miers, the Dubai Ports, failure to defend our southern borders, persecuting Ramos and Compean, stabbing Israel in the back, an idiotic experiment with missiles on Russia’s western borders, an irrational scheme involving Benazir Bhutto, selection of series of incompetent or left-leaning advisers - Norman Minetta, the FEMA wonderboy,
Chrissie Whitman, Tom Kean Senior, the former Attorney General, the present Secretary of Defense Gates (criticizing the few friends you have in public is tantamount to exemplary stupidity - even in an administration which has excelled in that area) - and now this.

Stabbing the gun owners of America in the back over the Second Amendment just as he stabbed all Americans in the back when he signed McCain-Feingold.

Bush has done some things write. Nobody is 100 % wrong even if they try as hard as possible. But most of those correct decisions do not outweigh the damage this man has done to the conservative movement in the Republican Party and, by extension, to the conservatives in general in America.

Bush II will ultimately rank right up there with his equally incompetent father, his predecessor of the many sexual adventures, the peanut planter Jimmah Cahtah, Lyndon Johnson, Rockefeller Republican Ford, the schizophrenic Richard Nixon and the “Prince of Camelot” John Kennedy, as the worst of American Presidents.

169 posted on 01/21/2008 6:14:01 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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