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Government Handouts Won't Help Economy (BS commentary)
Townhall.com ^ | January 20, 2008 | Robert Bluey

Posted on 01/20/2008 5:08:24 AM PST by Kaslin

President Bush doesn’t like to admit he’s made mistakes. But if White House chatter about an economic stimulus package is true, the president is about to repeat a misstep made early in his first term.

I’m talking about the 2001 tax rebates -- government handouts that arrived in the mail. Individuals got $300 and married couples received $600 -- all in hopes of stimulating the economy.

With the economy slowing again, tax rebates are back on the table for the White House -- only this time dollar amounts could be doubled -- and then some. The Associated Press reports the administration is contemplating rebate checks of up to $800 for individuals and $1,600 for married couples.

Few Americans would turn down an offer to pad their wallets so thickly. But while $800 or $1,600 might be a nice sum of money in the short term, this approach won’t help grow the economy out of a recession. That’s the disappointing lesson from the 2001 rebates.

Here’s why the earlier rebates didn’t work. The federal government, already operating in the red, didn’t have any money to pay for the rebate checks. Instead, it borrowed billions in the spring and summer of 2001. Consumer spending responded with 7 percent growth in the fourth quarter, but investment spending decreased by 23 percent. By the beginning of 2002, the rebate “fizz” was over. Consumer spending retreated to 1.4 percent annualized growth in the first quarter of 2002, and the economy was stagnant for much of the year.

“The simple redistribution from investment to consumption did not create new wealth,” concluded Brian Riedl of The Heritage Foundation, “Tax rebates ... don’t stimulate the economy.”

Riedl favors an alternative: lower tax rates on income, capitals gains and dividends, similar to the plan Bush successfully persuaded Congress to enact in 2003. That stimulus package produced an immediate turnaround in the economy. Consider these four statistics:

• Gross domestic product grew at an annual rate of 1.7 percent in the six quarters before the 2003 tax cuts. For the six quarters following the tax cuts, the growth soared to an average 4.1 percent rate.

• Non-residential, fixed investment declined for 13 consecutive quarters before the 2003 tax cuts. It has expanded for 13 consecutive quarters since then.

• The S&P 500 dropped 18 percent in the six quarters before the 2003 tax cuts. It increased 32 percent over the next six quarters.

• The economy lost 267,000 jobs in the six quarters before the 2003 tax cuts. In the next six quarters, it added 307,000 jobs. More than 8.3 million jobs have been created since August 2003 -- the longest continuous run of job growth ever.

Of course, the political situation is far different today than it was in 2003. Then, the president had defied history by picking up seats for his party in the 2002 elections, strengthening the GOP’s control of Congress. Today he’s competing with presidential candidates and the Democratic Congress for airtime.

That’s no reason for Bush to compete with their policies, however. Sen. Barack Obama would give Americans rebate checks of $250 and congressional Democrats have offered a rebate plan that tops out at $500. Fiscal conservatives wonder what Bush hopes to gain by not only playing their game, but also raising the stakes.

“One-time rebates and temporary business tax breaks that the president and the Democrats seem to be coalescing around are the wrong approach,” said Club for Growth President Pat Toomey.

Added Rep. Jeb Hensarling, chairman of the Republican Study Committee: “[T]emporary consumer tax rebates should not be confused with economic stimulus. ... The last time our country faced recession, rebates were helpful to consumers but did little to turnaround the economy.”

There’s little debate that tax rebates can redistribute existing wealth. But if Bush and members of Congress are serious about staving off a recession, they need to come up with a new plan -- one that will grow the economy. Lower permanent tax rates are a good place to start.


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To: Thermalseeker

“All this talk of “temporary” stimulus packages makes my blood boil. How about a PERMANENT stimulus package? Why not eliminate the Capital Gains tax entirely? How about cutting corporate taxes to the point where we are a tax haven for businesses worldwide and watch the dollars flow into the economy like never before.”

Because a permanent stimulus would not immediately and directly benefit the Democrats constituents. And by god it may wean people off of the nanny state as they make and get to keep their own money.


41 posted on 01/20/2008 6:41:13 AM PST by tj21807
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To: metesky
Isn't something better than nothing?

In a case where it will make no difference, no, it's not.
42 posted on 01/20/2008 6:42:22 AM PST by arderkrag (Libertarian Nutcase (Political Compass Coordinates: 9.00, -2.62 - www.politicalcompass.org))
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To: t1b8zs
I take from your comments that you are retired. I feel for you. I am near retirement myself. But if you are retired you are by definition in the consumption phase of your investment cycle, not the accumulation phase. This is very important. An income tax cut might put more money in your pocket, and your spending (if you spend it) is economic activity.

But the reality is that a much greater fraction of those still working have a 100% propensity to spend than those in retirement. And there are a lot more people working than retired. So putting money in the pockets of those still working generates more economic activity than putting money in the pockets of retirees.

43 posted on 01/20/2008 6:49:39 AM PST by trek
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To: ontap; metesky
Bingo! End the gas taxes for two years and watch the economy rebound overnight.

Metesky: Our "Money" is long gone, we are borrowing this money to pay for this so called rebate.

44 posted on 01/20/2008 6:58:39 AM PST by Normal4me
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To: trek

kinda blows cause my non retirement $ is taxed and was gained during the “accuulation” phase and because of good stratgies is still acumulating...this market thing and housing crunch hasnt made any dif to me.


45 posted on 01/20/2008 6:58:42 AM PST by CGASMIA68
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To: tillacum

Don’t be so quick to judge. It’s not a matter of honesty. I simply forgot that accomplishment.


46 posted on 01/20/2008 7:05:38 AM PST by Hardastarboard (DemocraticUnderground.com is an internet hate site.)
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To: palmer

If the government really wants to stimulate the economy, they should cut ALL government spending across the board immediately. We owe over 9 trillion dollars. By spending less than what we are bringing in in taxes, we will see the dollar start to strengthen. This will make the dollars we have saved worth more.


47 posted on 01/20/2008 7:05:59 AM PST by tom paine 2
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To: tj21807
Because I want $1,000,000.

...and a wheel barrel to haul it in.

48 posted on 01/20/2008 7:13:05 AM PST by Mark was here (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take the chance?)
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To: t1b8zs
"kinda blows cause my non retirement $ is taxed and was gained during the “accuulation” phase and because of good stratgies is still acumulating...this market thing and housing crunch hasnt made any dif to me."

If you think this blows you had better hope that Hucksterbee or any of the other "Fair" Taxer's doesn't ascend the thrown. For if they do you will suffer the inequity you describe above on steroids.

Imagine, you paid taxes on your income all the way through your accumulation phase just to have them switch to a tax on your consumption right in time for your retirement. I suspect this double fleecing of the baby boomers (which is where the money is) is what is driving the sudden epiphany in Washington that the current income tax system may be broken. But take heart, the crooks in DC are way too vested in selling favors in the tax code to make any significant change.

I have even worse news, but in the interest of brevity I will put it in a separate post.

49 posted on 01/20/2008 7:13:48 AM PST by trek
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To: Kaslin

Well, as a show of protest, when ya’ll get your checks, just sign them on the back and send them over to L98Fiero.


50 posted on 01/20/2008 7:18:15 AM PST by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: t1b8zs
Here is the worse news friend.

I suspect the crooks in DC will ultimately "Save Social Security" by extending the FICA tax to pension payments and IRA withdrawals (Roth and Traditional).

They will then claim that "every dime of your promised SS has been paid." And after all they only claimed that Roth IRA withdrawals would be free of income taxes. They never said anything about them being exempt from an extension of the FICA tax.

If this sounds like the tyrants in Washington would be giving you a SS check with one hand and taking it away through the tax code with the other. Just remember they only promised to give you a Social Security check. They never said anything about letting you keep it.

51 posted on 01/20/2008 7:22:02 AM PST by trek
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To: Kaslin
An "economic stimulus package, or as Bush put it, "a shot in the arm," is the same as giving a junkie another shot of heroin, instead of painfully getting him off dope.

Yes, it makes the addict feel better for a short while, but it worsens his condition in the long run.

Keynes famously said about this, "In the long run we're all dead." Keynes was a bachelor. This is fine if you don't mind screwing your children and the next generation.

"Bartender, I'll have another stimulus pakij. Put it on my kid's tab."

"There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as a result of a voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved."

~~Ludwig von Mises

52 posted on 01/20/2008 7:28:48 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: trek
That coffee can out back is staring to look better and better.....I never thought I would need a good accountant but its sounding like it may be a good idea......Harder to keep it than make it Like some one said its not what you make its what you keep....I may just dump everything into a quality div paying mutual at Van....soon as I do that tax law will change...
53 posted on 01/20/2008 7:29:39 AM PST by CGASMIA68
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To: trek
good point about the FICA on traditional IRAs...I have one I was going to deplete last but may now do that 1st as it is only 3% of retirement holdings.....put that in the coffee can..with the bullion
54 posted on 01/20/2008 7:35:55 AM PST by CGASMIA68
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To: Travis McGee
"There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as a result of a voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved."

Ludwig is right of course. And you are seeing the liquidation of the malinvestment right now. Just as we saw the liquidation of the malinvestment in early 2000 from the internut bubble.

The huge right-downs you are seeing in the financial sector represent liquidation of the debt instruments created during the bubble. This is a largely deflationary health restoring process. The excess housing stock also needs to be worked off. This will take time.

And go back and look at the sifting process in the tech sector earlier in the decade. The investments that were economic survived. Those that weren't are gone along with all the capital invested in them.

All this is inevitable and for the good. But it doesn't mean that we are destined for a depression or even a recession. Keep a sharp eye but don't get caught up in the panic.

55 posted on 01/20/2008 7:42:11 AM PST by trek
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To: t1b8zs
"put that in the coffee can..with the bullion"

Great idea! And vote ... Rep ... um ... Dem ... uhhh ... and vote Lib ... hmmmmm ....

Better just spend it ... QUICKLY -- while you still can! (just kidding)

56 posted on 01/20/2008 7:48:05 AM PST by trek
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To: metesky

They’ll just make up for the rebate by increasing taxes in other areas, it’s all just a shell game.

This is “bribing us with our own money.”


57 posted on 01/20/2008 7:51:03 AM PST by dfwgator (11+7+15=3 Heismans)
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To: Perdogg

I would say that is a good start. However, we need to scrap the current progressive tax system we have.


58 posted on 01/20/2008 7:52:38 AM PST by Sprite518
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To: trek
I suspect the crooks in DC will ultimately "Save Social Security" by extending the FICA tax to pension payments and IRA withdrawals (Roth and Traditional).

I wouldn't think that would be likely. You've already paid the tax. SS and Medicare withholding are calculated before IRA and 401K deductions.

59 posted on 01/20/2008 7:52:40 AM PST by EVO X
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To: Kaslin
Sorry, but I agree with the writer. We were giving checks to people that did not pay taxes. In other words a government redistribution of money. Now I love the drop in the taxes, but not the checks to everyone.
60 posted on 01/20/2008 7:54:20 AM PST by Sprite518
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