Thompson will fight illegals

chronicle.augusta.com ^ | January 17, 2008 | Marilyn Doremus

[TornadoAlley3]

Former U.S. Sen. Fred Thompson believes in our country and our laws. Thompson believes illegals are illegal, and should be sent home to apply to come into this country legally. Toleration of sanctuary cities must end. Companies hiring illegals should be heavily fined. And the fence between the United States and Mexico should be built immediately. As Thompson says, this is a matter of national security.

Thompson's views are in direct opposition to the bill which Sen. John McCain and Sen. Lindsey Graham, along with Sen. Ted Kennedy, tried to shove through the Senate -- and down the throats of Americans -- that would have given amnesty to the 12 million illegal immigrants in our country today. We tried amnesty before, and the problem has just mushroomed.

Sen. Thompson is also in direct opposition to former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, who believes that children of illegal immigrants should be given scholarships to college, thus taking away places for our children's college education.

Illegal immigrants are financially draining our country's medical and educational systems. It's time to vote for someone who believes in our laws.

Marilyn Doremus, Aiken, S.C

[roamer_1]

No it isn’t.

You are splitting hairs. When set in it's context amidst the rest of his statement that day, it most certainly is the same thing. It may as well have fell right out of George W. Bush's mouth.

If you disagree, that is your opinion, which you are entitled to. Beyond that, I would be happy to let the reader decide.

[ravingnutter]

Fred Thompson is rated as excellent on that website too. Fred doesn’t need to sign a pledge he has laid his plan out for all to see on his website.

[roamer_1]

EXCELLENT -- Fred Thompson

Yeah. So you trust data that says Romney and Huckabee are "excellent" too? You lost me right there.

[ravingnutter]

Is it your intention to suggest that "aspirations of citizenship" is somehow different than "path to citizenship"

No they are not the same thing. You can desire something all you want, but that doesn't mean you are going to get it given to you. Geez...what was that old saying...oh yeah..."Want in one hand and crap in the other".

[roamer_1]

No they are not the same thing. You can desire something all you want, but that doesn't mean you are going to get it given to you.

It wasn't to be "given" to them under McCain-Kennedy either. They had to pay for it. That is what bush and the RINOs hung their hat on, claiming it was not "amnesty".

[ravingnutter]

I provided a link for you to Fred's May 2007 column about that legislation which stated:

That would give proponents of the bill a chance to explain why putting illegals in a more favorable position than those who play by the rules is not really amnesty.

So no...he was not for the that plan, he thought it was amnesty.

[roamer_1]

So no...he was not for the that plan, he thought it was amnesty.

Sure he was, after the fact. He'd have to be an idiot to say otherwise.

[Calpernia]

LOL!

[Kevmo]

Hunter’s criticism of Thompson and Romney over this issue is well aimed. We need someone in the white house who isn’t a johnny-come-lately on this issue.
Road to Des Moines Conversions on Immigration (Hunter Press release)
News Which Cannot Lose ^ | 10/25/07 | Duncan Hunter/staff
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1916889/posts

[RasterMaster]

Amnesty (from the Greek amnestia, oblivion) is an act of justice by which the supreme power in a state restores those who may have been guilty of any offense against it to the position of innocent persons. It includes more than pardon, inasmuch as it obliterates all legal remembrance of the offense. The word has the same root as amnesia.

"Aspirations of citizenship" for illegal invaders, otherwise known as those committing a felony by entering the country illegally, is AMNESTY.

[roamer_1]

"Aspirations of citizenship" for illegal invaders, otherwise known as those committing a felony by entering the country illegally, is AMNESTY.

I agree entirely.

[ravingnutter]

BS. If you have a cite on his stance on that bill, post it.

[NeoCaveman]

Fred Thompson doesn’t fight illegals, he just sort of stares at them and they run back across the border.

[roamer_1]

You gave his stance, and I accept that- I just said he would be an idiot to say otherwise after the fact.

[Pistolshot]

Don’t bother trying to argue with this guy. His candidate can’t even beat ‘undecided’.

[ravingnutter]

Your logic defies reality. An aspiration is “a strong desire for high achievement”, that doesn’t mean it is free or that you are even going to get what you want. Under your logic, I’d be rich and beautiful. Reality is...I can only wish I had the money to hire personal trainers and have cosmetic surgery. Sure, I can work my butt off for the next 10 years and save my money...but if that was the case, I certainly wouldn’t say it came free.

[pa mom]

Good one!

[RasterMaster]

Must be nice to walk through life with blinder on. Those that came here illegally should be FINED, DEPORTED, or IMPRISONED as required by law. We should not be giving them false hope that they can stay here as long as someone or some church is willing to break the law to harbor them or some politician is willing to ignore the law.

"Aspirations of citizenship" even if IT'S NOT EASY, is still AMNESTY....that was McCain-Kennedy Bush version of amnesty, which defeated TWICE last summer!

This is EXACTLY why we cannot trust the “Johnny come lately” (on immigration) candidates who now claim to be hawks on the border issue. They have already proven what they will do once in office.

All forms of AMNESTY (”aspirations of citizenship” for law-breakers) and those who support it, MUST BE DEFEATED...even if “it’s not easy”! Anyone who supports amnesty is aiding and abbetting criminals in the act of a FELONY!

Here's another quote from Mr. 'Aspirations of Citizenship' FRed Thompson....

"Nobody's advocating that these people all be rounded up. Nobody's advocating that they even be arrested and incarcerated, although they're in violation of the law"...

When is this guy going to get a clue....anything short of DEPORTATION and following the law is AMNESTY.

[roamer_1]

Don’t bother trying to argue with this guy. His candidate can’t even beat ‘undecided’.

How exactly is my choice of candidate relevant to the question at hand?

Your attempt to defame me in this fashion rather than speaking to the argument I raise seems to be to my advantage. You would not need to do so if your candidate's positions were defensible.

[ravingnutter]

Those that came here illegally should be FINED, DEPORTED, or IMPRISONED as required by law.

Okay...I did not support it, but they were going to be fined under that bill:

Each alien would have to pay a $1,000 "penalty" and $2,000 in fees for the temporary Z visa, pass a background check, and submit proof of employment and fingerprints. The American Immigration Lawyers Association calculates that for a family of four the total in fees and penalties for Z visas could reach $9,000, including fees for "derivative" applicants such as spouses and children. And after an initial four-year period, the bill requires additional processing fees for renewal, which the AILA figures could amount to $6,000 more.

Fact Check

So your argument on that is moot. As that website states "calling the fines and fees "amnesty" doesn't fit the dictionary definition of the term".

When is this guy going to get a clue....anything short of DEPORTATION and following the law is AMNESTY.

Considering your link there was to the law on deportation, I take it you are a "deport them all" supporter. No wonder you don't agree with Fred, he's trying to deal with reality. Again, your logic defies reality.