Posted on 01/17/2008 6:38:28 AM PST by tortdog
>Many good and prominent Christian leaders are endorsing Romney.
I don’t think those leaders are heading up the group spreading these lies about Romney. That’s not what the article is about.
Well, what's the lie?
Choice A: Believe Joseph Smith...who said that he's the only one who knew how to keep a church together...Jesus Christ couldn't do it...(Smith also boasted that God was his "right hand man."): "I combat the errors of ages...I cut the guardian knot of powers and I solve mathematical problems of universities, with truth--diamond truth; and God is my 'right hand man.'" (History of the Church, Vol.6, p.78).
So I assume you taking on these "Christian liars" is done in the same vein as Smith, eh? (You're "combatting the errors of the ages?")
Choice B: Disbelieve Joseph Smith as the universal know-it-all...the bottleneck of the "only true" Church on earth.
Good Christians rally to spread lies about Romney because they believe it is a perversion and a cult.
Definition of a cult leader: Someone who is not divine yet whom claims to have a monopoly on all truth while all others are wrong in the eyes of God.
Gee, what a coincidence that we actually have a presidential candidate who's a disciple of such a man! Why, I just happened upon my fearsome foursome standard works LDS combo version of the "Scriptures" & the Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith--History 1:19 says that in response to which church should Joseph join, he was told by Son of Mormon: I was answered that I must join none of them [the "Christian Sects"], for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight, that those professors were all corrupt....
Why, that's interesting...what a sweeping, universal statement--all from a mere 14-year-old lad!!! none...all...all...all... pretty all-encompassing it sounds like to me...wow! With one flick of a pen and one paragraph, one man could, bowling-ball style, knock down every Protestant, Catholic & Orthodox Christian doctrine held unto then [remember, Joseph didn't say that some of their creeds were putrid (the meaning of the word "abomination")--or most--he said all. In fact, Joseph Smith and his personage/angel entity or entities (depending on which vision account you read) judged every professor-believer in Christ as "corrupt."
You must not have read the article. The lies are:
* Romney favors partial-birth abortions
* If elected, Romney would pass a bill favoring same-sex marriage
The report mentioned other lies, but didn’t go into detail. But Romney does NOT favor either of these issues. The push polling was a lie.
Why?
The article suggested the reason is religious bigotry by the “religious right,” due to its preaching that Romney’s faith was perverse and a cult.
>Definition of a cult leader: Someone who is not divine yet whom claims to have a monopoly on all truth while all others are wrong in the eyes of God.
Kind of playing your cult game. So according to your definition, aren’t the following “cult leaders”:
* Moses
* Jesus Christ
If Romney supporters were concerned about little things like "facts" they would examine his liberal record and would not be "Romney supporters" unless of course they too are liberals.
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You got me there. I guess he's not sincere about anything except tickling itching ears.
‘More Evangelicals supported Romney in MI than supported Huckabee.’
Yep, which undermines the MSM’s favorite theory about Christians.
You're right...I read what you excerpted but not the article. Well, just because a group labels itself as "Common Sense" doesn't mean it has any (just as a church that labels itself as The Church of Jesus Christ of... doesn't mean it has any real ties to the real Jesus Christ.
Well, I think if this lying group is going to make a million calls in the short run, they could still salvage "truth" by saying "If elected, same-sex marriage could once again be passed on his watch."
The report mentioned other lies, but didn’t go into detail. But Romney does NOT favor either of these issues. The push polling was a lie.
Yes, agreed. (Romney no longer favors partial-birth abortions)
Where did Romney push abortion? I’m aware that he took a pro-choice stance until recently. I don’t recall him favoring abortion as opposed to believing it was wrong.
We seem to be mostly in agreement. And Huckabee has denounced these attacks as wrong (to his credit).
Where has Romney stated his view that he favors partial birth abortions?
If Romney is the nominee, imagine the debate with Hillary.
On abortion.
Hillary: I am pro-choice and in fact my opponent was also at one time.
On taxes.
Hillary: I opposed the Bush tax cuts for the rich, and in fact my opponent was also against them at one time.
On healthcare for all.
Hillary: I support and will fight for healthcare for all, just like my opponent did in Massachusetts. In fact he said the biggest difference between his plan and mine is that his became law! I welcome his support for my plan.
On gays serving openly in the military.
Hillary: It is time to end ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ In fact you Mr. Romney were all for ending that plan even before me and my husband. You were ahead of the curve and supported gays being allowed to serve openly way back in 1994.
On a huge stimulus package.
Hillary: I want to spend 100 billion in an effort to bring the economy back from this recession! My opponent wants to spend 100 billion over 5 years just on the automobile industry, so my plan is in fact a lot more fiscally responsible than his!
I could go on and on and on....
posted on 01/16/2008 8:31:18 PM CST by JRochelle
“More Evangelicals supported Romney in MI than supported Huckabee.”
Worth repeating.
Do you get the feeling that most of the other posters are in some alternate universe?
Great point and Hillary would win, unless Romney gave a persuasive response on why those positions are wrong, and it’s better to be right later than still wrong.
OK, either...
...(a) You didn't read what I wrote very carefully; or
...(b) You don't believe Christ is divine.
I specifically said: Someone who is NOT divine yet whom claims to have a monopoly on all truth while all others are wrong in the eyes of God.
I mean, I know LDS consider Christ to just be a creature & a "saved being" who was something less than divine once upon a time...so you fall into that camp?
As for Moses, let's compare all the Smith boastful comments about himself to the Bible's description of Moses, shall we? Now Moses was a very humble man, more humble than anyone else on the face of the earth. (Numbers 12:23)
(So, no, I don't think Moses had a prob as a "monopolizer," do you?)
I don’t think those leaders are heading up the group spreading these lies about Romney. That’s not what the article is about.
>I specifically said: Someone who is NOT divine yet whom claims to have a monopoly on all truth while all others are wrong in the eyes of God.
But to non-Christians, Christ is not divine. That means that Christ is a cult leader. Further, Joseph Smith did not claim a monopoly. He claimed that Christ had a monopoly. There’s a difference.
>I mean, I know LDS consider Christ to just be a creature & a “saved being” who was something less than divine once upon a time...so you fall into that camp?
That is untrue. The Church of Jesus Christ teaches that Christ is a member of the Godhead, and has no beginning and no end. We believe that John 1 is talking about Christ (the Word is Christ).
>As for Moses, let’s compare all the Smith boastful comments about himself to the Bible’s description of Moses, shall we?
First, we don’t even know what Moses actually wrote. And we certainly do not have recordings of much of what he said, given a few thousand years back.
But why don’t you give me Smith’s boastful comments.
Someone who is NOT divine ...
I have heard no such calls and criticisms that Romney found social conservatism on issues like abortion only after he won his last term in MA are legitimate.
I see far more MittBots crying about Mormon persecution than I actually see Mormon persecution. Is voting against pro-choice trudy catholic persecution?
Well, that's just it. When he was fully pro-abortion, I never saw any statements from him saying he was "pro-choice...except for..."
There's multiple statements of his saying he supported, was committed to, and even "sustained" Roe vs. Wade ("sustained" being the highest level of support any Mormon could give to something...given its meaning to "sustain" its "prophets")
It's not like some parallel legal door-opener existed that made partial-birth abortions "legal." Partial-birth abortions have been "legal" simply because Roe established abortion on demand all the way up thru birth.
Since all later-term abortions were legalized under the guise of "health" of the Mom, PB abortions have been committed under that guise. (And how many pro-abortion politicians have you known who have wanted to back away from being "pro-choice" to protect the alleged "health" of the Mom?)
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