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"They know there is no one right or wrong decision about abortion," Veazey adds, saying "They deserve to know that the majority of their religious communities support abortion being legal and available to all women."

What a demented monster!

1 posted on 01/16/2008 4:36:50 PM PST by wagglebee
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2 posted on 01/16/2008 4:37:22 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 01/16/2008 4:37:44 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Reverend Carlton Veazey, the head of the Religious SATANIC Coalition for Reproductive Choice ... there now, more accurate.
4 posted on 01/16/2008 4:40:23 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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Some good news from the pro-infanticide crowd. Remind me to shed some crocodile tears for their inability to find quislings.

I found the statistics to be heartening. Looks like the power of compounding is working it’s magic. It’ll take another 10-20 years, but infanticide for convenience’s sake will eventually go away in the U.S. Not because of anything that happens in the political sphere of course, but because women will stop allowing their unborn children to be eliminated.


5 posted on 01/16/2008 4:47:54 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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They know there is no one right or wrong decision about abortion.

Then, there is no right or wrong decision about anything! How can they claim to be religious or moral leaders when they say such things? What kind of moral authority can they claim? These types of religious leaders are only concerned with "social justice", and their own narrow interpretation of that.

6 posted on 01/16/2008 4:49:01 PM PST by PatrickF4 ("The greatest dangers to liberty lurk...with men of zeal, well meaning, but without understanding.")
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"Veazey, a pastor of a Baptist church..."

I guess anybody can come along and call themselves a "Baptist" church. I wonder what kind of a "Baptist" this turkey is.

7 posted on 01/16/2008 4:49:06 PM PST by Past Your Eyes (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it.)
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Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life.

Catechism of the Catholic Church

This would suggest that 100% of Catholics oppose abortion. I guess those who have excommunicated themselves still keep showing up and pretending they are Catholics.

8 posted on 01/16/2008 4:50:08 PM PST by ALPAPilot
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9 posted on 01/16/2008 4:54:13 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Oh yes how shocking that ministers are not in favor of irresponsible sexual behavior or killing unborn children when that behavior leads to pregnancy. How uncompassionate of them to not condone sin and selfishness and irresponsiblity. /s


10 posted on 01/16/2008 4:56:13 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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He is a Baptist Minister in Washington DC, if anyone should be concerned with the well being of his flock, it should be Veazy(like Weezy)...

Instead, he is championing the death of infant life?

My goodness, what is the clergy coming too?


11 posted on 01/16/2008 4:59:47 PM PST by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ Isaiah 3.3)
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I wonder if Veazey's grandfather bemoaned the closing of the last concentration camp, or if Veazey's great-great-great grandfather bemoaned the Civil War ending slavery.

I mean 3/5th of a person isn't a person and neither is someone less than human, right Veazey?

12 posted on 01/16/2008 5:06:16 PM PST by Tanniker Smith (Geek Squad -- if you're desperate and don't need a PC for over a month, we're here for you.)
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"They know there is no one right or wrong decision about abortion," Veazey adds, saying "They deserve to know that the majority of their religious communities support abortion being legal and available to all women."

No one right or wrong decision on abortion? I don't have wonder why some Americans just despise so-called religious leaders. It is one thing to be a clergyman in favor of the right to abortion, but Veazey shirks all pretense of politeness and just says "abortion."

The biblical case for abortion rights is almost as strong as the Jewish case for self-internment.
13 posted on 01/16/2008 5:10:25 PM PST by Das Outsider ("Fools are paramount in politics..."--Kenneth Minogue)
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As a former (recovering) member of the clergy, this doesn’t surprise me at all.

You see, to be a pastor, you must be elected by the congregation, and those votes are taken by paper ballot as well as paper money (check). Quite frankly, you p*ss off the wrong person, and you’re packing up the parsonage.

So, the “successful” pastors are the ones that keep the peace. The last thing that 99% of their congregations want is their pastor to take a stand that puts them on the front page of the newspaper, where they are somehow made to feel “unsophisticated” or “intolerant”.

In time, those “successful” clergy are the ones who are promoted to positions of supervisory power — bishops, moderators, etc.

I once saw a pastor whose parishioner had been accused of ritual molestation of dozens of kids (Grass Lake, MI). His pastor shunned the guy, not even offering the comfort that one might give to a convicted man on death row. The pastor was horrified to be with the guy, and standing up for his innocence (was found innocent later) was out of the question.

MLKing bemoaned the fact that the clergy of his day might’ve talked a good game, but were all missing when it came time to take action. Many didn’t even talk a good game, instead writing King while in jail asking him to avoid confrontation instead of doing his marches.

Things haven’t changed much today.


18 posted on 01/16/2008 6:07:38 PM PST by TWohlford
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Abortion kills people!


20 posted on 01/16/2008 7:34:53 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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The reason so many clergymen don’t back Roe vs. Wade is because they can’t do so without undermining their credibility.


21 posted on 01/16/2008 7:50:50 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (You can't be serious about national security unless you're serious about border security)
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Well there would have been more clergy supporting abortion now.....

but, they were aborted.


24 posted on 01/16/2008 10:26:50 PM PST by exit82 (How do you handle Hillary? You Huma her.)
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Veazey, a pastor of a Baptist church in Washington, D.C., is worried that the Supreme Court's upholding the national ban on partial-birth abortions and state personhood initiatives and abortion bans are "sounding the death knell for the landmark constitutional decision."

I thought I'd read that this guy was from some kind of fringe religion...surprised to see that he is from a Baptist church, and a pastor even....favoring infanticide? Shocking.

26 posted on 01/17/2008 3:59:23 AM PST by nicmarlo (I hereby declare my support for Duncan Hunter. 1/10/08; late to the party, but I have arrived!)
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Minister Beelzebub - skeletons in his closet.


39 posted on 01/17/2008 6:13:50 PM PST by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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“MAMA” - Written by Jo Nuvark - November ‘92

God knew us before we were in our Mother’s womb.
(Psalm 47:4 and 139)

Mama... Mama, don’t blame me for your blues.
I may be inconvenient, but it’s much too late to choose.
Listen with your heart, you’ll hear my still small voice.
Let me live I’ll be your life, your child not your choice.

Mama... Mama, give me time to work my charms.
When you see my face, you’ll know the place for me is in your arms.
I’m not lonely just alone and looking forward to
The way you’ll hold me Mama just like God is holding you.

Like a summer breeze and the morning dove,
We were chosen for each other by the Lord of love.
Agreeing with each breath and sigh in unison,
We’re two hearts beating rhythm as a single drum.

Mama... Mama, I’m yours by God’s design.
Your custom composition, a clipping from His vine.
Eternally He’s known our names for such a time as this.
Fashioned for each other’s needs to cherish, love and bless.

Mama... Mama, if it’s hard to understand,
Just look at this from heaven, then you’ll see God’s plan.
Let my smile dance with yours. Let our songs be one voice.
Mama; Oh Mama, make me your choice.


56 posted on 01/18/2008 9:55:36 AM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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Thank you for bringing a smile.

"My sheep know my voice and I hear them and they follow me."

66 posted on 01/18/2008 7:57:05 PM PST by unspun (Mike Huckabee: Government's job is "protect us, not have to provide for us.")
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