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ACLU: Sex in Restroom Stalls Is Private
Yahoo News ^ | 1/16/2008 | Associated Press

Posted on 01/16/2008 5:05:44 AM PST by IronKros

ST. PAUL, Minn. - In an effort to help Sen. Larry Craig, the American Civil Liberties Union is arguing that people who have sex in public bathrooms have an expectation of privacy.

Craig, of Idaho, is asking the Minnesota Court of Appeals to let him withdraw his guilty plea to disorderly conduct stemming from a bathroom sex sting at the Minneapolis airport.

The ACLU filed a brief Tuesday supporting Craig. It cited a Minnesota Supreme Court ruling 38 years ago that found that people who have sex in closed stalls in public restrooms "have a reasonable expectation of privacy."

That means the state cannot prove Craig was inviting an undercover officer to have sex in public, the ACLU wrote.

The Republican senator was arrested June 11 by an undercover officer who said Craig tapped his feet and swiped his hand under a stall divider in a way that signaled he wanted sex. Craig has denied that, saying his actions were misconstrued.

The ACLU argued that even if Craig was inviting the officer to have sex, his actions wouldn't be illegal.

"The government cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Senator Craig was inviting the undercover officer to engage in anything other than sexual intimacy that would not have called attention to itself in a closed stall in the public restroom," the ACLU wrote in its brief.

The ACLU also noted that Craig was originally charged with interference with privacy, which it said was an admission by the state that people in the bathroom stall expect privacy.

Craig at one point said he would resign but now says he will finish his term, which ends in January 2009.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: Idaho; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: aclu; homosexualagenda; larrycraig; perverts; queers; sodomites
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What happened to common decency?
1 posted on 01/16/2008 5:05:46 AM PST by IronKros
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To: IronKros

This is silly...


2 posted on 01/16/2008 5:06:46 AM PST by Edgerunner (If you won't let the military fight your battles, you will have to. Keep your powder dry...)
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To: IronKros

The ACLU shows its true colors, once again.

Gays, child molesters, commies and traitors. Those are the only people with civil rights in the eyes of the ACLU.


3 posted on 01/16/2008 5:08:40 AM PST by samtheman
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To: IronKros

Is this satire?


4 posted on 01/16/2008 5:09:18 AM PST by day10 (Rules cannot substitute for character.)
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To: IronKros

And some folks wonder why moms bring their little boys into the ladies’ room with them...


5 posted on 01/16/2008 5:10:02 AM PST by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: IronKros
How 'bout the folks who want to use this public facility for its intended purpose? What sort of reasonable expectations do they have?

ML/NJ

6 posted on 01/16/2008 5:10:57 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: day10

If someone could point out that it is satire, it would make my day.


7 posted on 01/16/2008 5:11:11 AM PST by IronKros (The pig put foot. Grunt. Foot in what? ketchup)
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To: samtheman
The ACLU sees fit to support the actions of a Republican...and it's Larry Craig.

Stop the world, I want to get off. /s

8 posted on 01/16/2008 5:11:49 AM PST by libs_kma (www.imwithfred.com)
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To: IronKros
What happens in a toilet stall should stay in a toilet stall? The ACLU has finally settled at its true level.


9 posted on 01/16/2008 5:12:29 AM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3rd Bn. 5th Marines, RVN 1969. St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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To: samtheman
Gays, child molesters, commies and traitors. Those are the only people with civil rights in the eyes of the ACLU.

Gays, child molesters, commies and traitors ARE the ACLU

10 posted on 01/16/2008 5:14:07 AM PST by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: IronKros
What happened to common decency?

The ACLU declared war on it.

11 posted on 01/16/2008 5:14:53 AM PST by lonestar
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To: IronKros

He didn’t have sex, nor was he PLANNING to have sex, IN THE STALLS. That was simply where the alleged SOLICITATION to have sex took place.

I think the ACLU would have a better shot at arguing that returning a solicitation from someone for sex has an expectation of privacy, rather than arguing that actually putting two people in a stall raises an expectation of privacy.


12 posted on 01/16/2008 5:15:59 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: IronKros
people who have sex in PUBLIC bathrooms have an expectation of privacy

Incredible.
13 posted on 01/16/2008 5:17:54 AM PST by day10 (Rules cannot substitute for character.)
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To: Vaquero

Hard to make a bumper sticker that includes all 4 of those.

The ACLU has to pick one.

I suggest: Traitors’R’Us.

Since molesting children can be seen as a kind of treason.


14 posted on 01/16/2008 5:18:16 AM PST by samtheman
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To: IronKros
I'll tap my foot against sex in the bathrooms.

However, I will tap my foot for use a toilet stall for its original purpose - elimination of human waste and redoing bathroom stalls to have basically full length doors and partitions and no cracks between the door and partition. The full length partition/door prevents the playing of footsie and no cracks prevents someone from peeking in.
15 posted on 01/16/2008 5:19:21 AM PST by CORedneck
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To: IronKros

Disgusting.


16 posted on 01/16/2008 5:19:33 AM PST by sauropod (Fred Reed: "Without men, civilization would last until the oil needed changing.")
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To: IronKros
people who have sex in public bathrooms have an expectation of privacy.

pub·lic /ˈpʌblɪk/

1. of, pertaining to, or affecting a population or a community as a whole: public funds; a public nuisance.
2. done, made, acting, etc., for the community as a whole: public prosecution.
3. open to all persons: a public meeting.
4. of, pertaining to, or being in the service of a community or nation, esp. as a government officer: a public official.
5. maintained at the public expense and under public control: a public library; a public road.
6. generally known: The fact became public.
7. familiar to the public; prominent: public figures.
8. open to the view of all; existing or conducted in public: a public dispute.
9. pertaining or devoted to the welfare or well-being of the community:

Am I missing something here ?????

17 posted on 01/16/2008 5:19:47 AM PST by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: samtheman

Defending the right to sex in stalls in public restrooms? Looks like the ACLU has finally found their true calling and cause for being. Such a noble cause, not.


18 posted on 01/16/2008 5:27:01 AM PST by RLM
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To: IronKros

All participants in this are disgusting: Craig, the ACLU, and the undercover cop.


19 posted on 01/16/2008 5:27:02 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: samtheman

Is there any way we could see a list of exactly WHO donates to the ACLU?


20 posted on 01/16/2008 5:36:37 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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