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A Supreme Court Reversal: Abandoning the Rights of Voters
NEW YORK TIMES ^ | January 15, 2008 | ADAM COHEN

Posted on 01/14/2008 9:52:57 PM PST by ricks_place

The Supreme Court heard arguments last week in a hugely important case about voter ID laws. Asking for identification at the polls may sound reasonable, but an Indiana law disenfranchises large numbers of people without driver’s licenses, especially poor and minority voters. If the court upholds the law, as appears likely, it will be a sad new chapter in its abandonment of voters, a group whose rights it once defended vigorously.

As long as there have been elections, there have been attempts to keep eligible people from voting. States and localities adopted poll taxes, literacy tests, “white primaries,” “malapportionment”— drawing district lines to give a small number of rural voters the same representation as a large number of urban voters — and restrictions on student voting. In recent decades, the Supreme Court has rejected all of them.

The court understood that the Constitution guaranteed a robust form of democracy and saw its clear value for the nation. During the tumultuous late-1960s, Chief Justice Earl Warren declared that most of the country’s problems could be solved through the political process if everyone “has the opportunity to participate on equal terms with everyone else and can share in electing representatives who will be representative of the entire community and not of some special interest.”

In recent years, however, with a conservative majority in place, the court has become increasingly hostile to voters. During the oral arguments in the Bush v. Gore case in 2000, Justice Sandra Day O’Connor showed disdain for voters who had trouble with Florida’s disastrous punch-card ballots. After insisting that the directions “couldn’t be clearer,” she suggested that the court ignore the ballots of voters who had failed to master the intricacies. That is precisely what it did, by a 5-4 vote.

Since Bush v. Gore, disdain for voters has become the norm....

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: elections; immigration; supremecourt; vote
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To: ricks_place

Given illegal voters and illegal votes, it is obvious that the voting system must be able to prevent that problem.

Every American citizen must identify him/herself for ANY other endeavor they pursue. Any. From going to school, to driving, to having kids play little league, to food stamps, to flying anywhere, to writing checks, to getting a debit or credit card, Americans must identify themselves.

It is entirely disengenuous to claim that it is a burden to ask them to identify themselves at the voting booth.

It is simply a dishonest claim.


61 posted on 01/15/2008 4:28:54 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain! True Supporters of Our Troops Support the Necessity of their Sacrifice!)
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To: ricks_place
Asking for identification at the polls may sound reasonable, but an Indiana law disenfranchises large numbers of people without driver’s licenses, especially poor and minority voters.

Not so. As someone who knows a lot of poor people, I can say that they are unable to work or even to collect public aid benefits without a photo ID. The number of poor and minority adults without a photo ID is miniscule.
62 posted on 01/15/2008 4:32:19 AM PST by aruanan
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The state of Missouri had a voter ID law declared "unconstitutional" because it placed too great a burden on the poor, infirm, and whatever else the leftists could think of... Never mind that included in the law were a number of things to take care of the aforementioned issues. There were going to be free photo ID for anyone who couldn't afford it. There were going to be a number of vans that would go to poor or infirm people who couldn't get to where they needed to go to get their free photo IDs.

I wonder what the people in Iraq would say about this sort of thing... The people who lined up for hours, often walking miles to the poling places (since vehicle traffic was banned) under the threat of death.

The simple reason for opposing voter ID it to facilitate voter fraud. There's no other reason.

Mark

63 posted on 01/15/2008 4:37:56 AM PST by MarkL
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To: MarkL

I heard an interview yesterday between Neil Cavuto and some official from Maryland. The state is issuing a new class of drivers license for “non citizens”.

Cavuto asked, “Wouldn’t that license allow the person to vote?”. The official smarmily reassured us that won’t happen. Why? Because they have to sign an oath that they are eligible to vote!

Yep. Works for me. /s


64 posted on 01/15/2008 4:54:20 AM PST by Timeout (I hate MediaCrats! ......and trial lawyers.)
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To: ricks_place

So issue voter ID cards. What’s the problem?

Instead of relying on some ID issued for a purpose unrelated to voting, just issue an ID that IS related to voting.

Wouldn’t that solve both problems?


65 posted on 01/15/2008 5:02:27 AM PST by ctdonath2 (George Bush wept for those who suffer. Hillary Clinton wept for herself.)
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To: Freedom4US

you must go back to the end of the line. Common sense is not allowed.

Course, as far as a license goes...maybe expiration is only about fees ?


66 posted on 01/15/2008 5:20:52 AM PST by stylin19a
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To: ricks_place

What the status of the Georgia voter ID law? IIRC Georgia passed a measure requiring a voter ID a couple years back. The court stuck it down because paying for the ID amounted to a poll tax. So the legislature made voter ID cards free of charge. That wasn’t good enough either said the court; it discriminates against people that don’t have govt-issued IDs. So where does it stand now? Anyone know?


67 posted on 01/15/2008 5:43:12 AM PST by vamoose
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To: SatinDoll

From what I understand, valid photo ID is free for the asking under this Indiana law.

The Dems are acknowledging by their protest that

a) they want to be sure that ineligible voters continue to vote
b) that their constituents are indeed too damn lazy to get up and get a free ID.


68 posted on 01/15/2008 5:49:16 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: SeaHawkFan
Then how come the petitioners (the liberals) can't identify even one person who has been disenfranchised?

They DID! (search boortz' website)
Their poor disenfranchised voter example turned out to be a criminal. The "poor" woman owned homes in Indiana and Florida, was registered to vote in both states, but only had a Fla driver's license, which couldn't be used in Indiana.
And, by the way, she was fraudulently taking "homestead" payments in both states.

69 posted on 01/15/2008 5:51:49 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: The Electrician
it's fun to be a simpleton and a confused leftist

And EASY! Just turn off all logic circuits in your brain and let your feelings engulf you. And don't be bothered by any of that "trickery" that people pull by pointing out the contradictory nature of your positions.

70 posted on 01/15/2008 5:54:30 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: napscoordinator

From their perspective, forcing the Democrats to pay for voter validation is like making someone dig their own grave.


71 posted on 01/15/2008 5:56:15 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Francis McClobber

Bump


72 posted on 01/15/2008 6:13:31 AM PST by Francis McClobber
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To: ricks_place
The state cannot justify the enormous burdens the law imposes; the same burden required to pay by check at many supermarts.

Yes. his argument does boil down to that.

73 posted on 01/15/2008 6:18:04 AM PST by RobbyS
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To: yazdankurd
The decision was 7 to 2, that what Igor/FLA Supremes attempted was unconstitutional. the 5 to 4 vote was on the remedy.

Unfortunately, 99% of the people on the street do not know that the Florida Supreme Court was trying to usurp the rights of theFlorida legislature under the U.S. Constitution. In part it was that the legislature would not stand up and say that loudly enough.

74 posted on 01/15/2008 6:25:01 AM PST by RobbyS
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To: haroldeveryman

O what IS one going to say about wealthy, educated Jewish women who can not decipher a ballot—designed by Democrics by the way—that a 6th-grade class could manage without voting for Pat Buchanan? That their late husbands always told them what to do?


75 posted on 01/15/2008 6:29:56 AM PST by RobbyS
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To: SatinDoll
There is no proof that anyone, ANYONE, has been disenfranchised in Indiana by requiring them to show a picture ID to vote.

Only the very stupid would be disenfranchised. How can anyone not figure out how to get a picture ID of themselves? That also means they couldn't have a checking account or a credit card, since both require a picture ID to use.
76 posted on 01/15/2008 6:50:58 AM PST by CottonBall
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To: Syncro
If people aren’t smart enough to get a photo ID, they aren’t smart enough to vote.

bump!
77 posted on 01/15/2008 6:51:31 AM PST by CottonBall
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To: supercat
Should a woman who changes her name because of an October wedding be denied the ability to vote?

She wouldn't be. The marriage license with a photo ID with the old name would suffice. It would be enough for bank accounts, SS, health care benefits, and all the other legal documents that she would have to have changed during the transition time before it is all completed.

Now, if she's not bright enough to handle all that - then a power of attorney could be appointed. And she would still be able to vote. (Scary to have someone that incompetent voting, but that's how the Dems get in power...)
78 posted on 01/15/2008 7:13:34 AM PST by CottonBall
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To: ricks_place

Any person without a picture ID has no business voting in the first place. They have removed themselves too far from the mainstream of American life for their opinion to count.


79 posted on 01/15/2008 8:09:01 AM PST by Niteranger68 (Proud to be a FREDNECK!!!)
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To: denydenydeny
If you have a check from the New York Times, you had better cash it quickly. The price of their stock hit a new 12 month low this morning.
80 posted on 01/15/2008 8:20:42 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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