Giuliani Rattled, Cancels Remarks as Pro-lifers Disrupt Sunday Bus Tour Stop

Christian Newswire ^ | 1/13/08 | Christian Newswire

[wagglebee]

"A third of my generation is dead because of politicians like Giuliani." -- Steven Pokorny, age 28, at Giuliani during meeting in Miami, Sunday, Jan. 13

Contact: Joseph Landry, 406-860-9738; Steven Pokorny, 216-346-9765; Randall Terry, 904-461-0834; all with The "Stop Rudy" Tour

MIAMI, Jan. 13 /Christian Newswire/ -- Rudy Giuliani was rattled by pro-life advocates and canceled his speech at his first bus-tour event Sunday in Miami.  Activists have planned confrontations with Rudy for every stop of his Florida bus tour.  Photos available online.

On Sunday, Jan. 13, at approximately 12:15 PM, pro-life activists were in the crowd at The Green Street Cafe (located at 3110 Commodor Plaza, Coconut Grove Florida, just outside Miami) waiting for Giuliani to begin his Florida Bus Tour.

When Rudy Giuliani arrived, Joseph Landry (age 26) was within 5 feet of the candidate, and began yelling: You are a baby killer! You are a baby killer! Florida is pro-life! Rudy wants public funding for abortion!"  See news report. Law enforcement officials immediately escorted Mr. Landry from the area, while Mr. Landry continued his monologue.

Within Minutes, Steven Pokorny, age 28, stood to his feet and cried out, "A third of my generation is dead because of politicians like Giuliani! Giuliani wants to kill children and have you pay for it!" Law enforcement did not stop Mr. Pokorny.

At that point, Giuliani left the building, without addressing the crowd.

Mr. Pokorny was able to follow Mr. Giuliani for more than a minute, yelling out about Rudy's pro-choice, pro-homosexual agenda. Again, Mr. Pokorny was not interrupted by police.

Giuliani officials had no idea how many pro-lifers were in the crowd, and how many more times Giuliani would be confronted. This might explain why Mr. Giuliani did not make any remarks - and left the meeting without addressing supporters.

Pro-lifers have scheduled confrontations with Rudy on every stop of his Florida Bus tour.

Video footage of the confrontations with Rudy is available upon request.

[Delphinium]

I find it distasteful that someone would follow him down the street screaming at him.

Can you even inmagine where we would be in this nation if our founding fathers were as politically correct as you? Can you imagine what they might have done if they witnessed a man like Rudy tearing down everything they fought and died for?

Please answer that question, what would they do about a pro-abortion, gun grabbing etc etc man like Rudy?

I find it distasteful that a evil baby killing supporter man like Rudy could even have a supporter in the pro-life party.

He is the distasteful one, these folks are just doing something very nessesary and his poll numbers are showing it is working.

Do you think it was distasteful when Rooty got up before NARAL and said:

"Thank you very much for inviting me to say a few words of welcome. This event shows that people of different political parties and different political thinking can unite in support of choice. In doing so, we are upholding a distinguished tradition that began in our city starting with the work of Margaret Sanger and the movement for reproductive freedom that began in the early decades of the 20th century."

These are a few quotes from Sanger:

"The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it." Margaret Sanger, Women and the New Race (Eugenics Publ. Co., 1920, 1923)

Margaret Sanger (1883-1966) On blacks, immigrants and indigents: "...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born." Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people

On sterilization & racial purification: Sanger believed that, for the purpose of racial "purification," couples should be rewarded who chose sterilization. Birth Control in America, The Career of Margaret Sanger, by David Kennedy, p. 117, quoting a 1923 Sanger speech.

On the purpose of birth control: The purpose in promoting birth control was "to create a race of thoroughbreds," she wrote in the Birth Control Review, Nov. 1921 (p. 2)

On the rights of the handicapped and mentally ill, and racial minorities: "More children from the fit, less from the unfit -- that is the chief aim of birth control." Birth Control Review, May 1919, p. 12

On the extermination of blacks: "We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population," she said, "if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." Woman's Body, Woman's Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America, by Linda Gordon

On adultery: A woman's physical satisfaction was more important than any marriage vow, Sanger believed. Birth Control in America, p. 11

On marital sex: "The marriage bed is the most degenerating influence in the social order," Sanger said. (p. 23

[tortdog]

I agree with the man’s position. But shouting down candidates isn’t the way to “speak.” Have a quality debate with the man. Challenge him on that.

But shouting so that he can’t be heard? That’s not right.

[Antoninus]

"A third of my generation is dead because of politicians like Giuliani! Giuliani wants to kill children and have you pay for it!"

There you have it. People born after 1974 should wear shirts that say "I survived the American Holocaust."

Law enforcement did not stop Mr. Pokorny.

Stop him from what, speaking the truth? Is that law enforcement's role, now?

[Antoninus]

I see no benefit to the pro-life cause screaming and harassing like banshees.

It quelled Abortiani and his rally fizzled. That's benefit enough for me!

[Delphinium]

It is a new era and we must be more assertive, more active.

And we have atleast 1 generation, brainwashed into all of this mamby pamby politically correct stuff.

These folks would never even risk there "nice" reputation, much less their lives.

The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in the midst of crisis shrink away from the service of their country.

How can we possibly "keep it" with these brainwashed citizens?

[Delphinium]

Have a quality debate with the man.

Rudy won't go into that debate.

Have you ever heard any of the news media ask him those hard question? No instead they swoon all over him and give him a pass on these issues. He is betting on the big immoral states to give him the votes he wants. Florida is so important in defeating him. Many people out there are quite ignorant when they vote. I am so thankful to these who are willing to make a fool out of themselves to draw attention to how evil he is.

[I_like_good_things_too]

I think most of these people prefer to just post to eachother, patting eachother on their backs for their “efforts”, evidently caring not a bit a to whether their tactics are effective or not. By eliminating any debate, they can convince themselves they “won”. It’s odd they don’t seem to realize that if they are alienating other pro-lifers, they probably aren’t very effective in swaying the hearts & minds of those who are considering abortion. I wonder how many abortions that stops. It’s truly odd.

[calcowgirl]

But shouting so that he can’t be heard?

They followed him on the parade and heckled him. Rudy was not prevented from being heard--he didn't try to speak. He CHOSE not to speak. None of the reports even suggest that Rudy tried to speak or that he was interrupted as some tried to claim. If you have seen reports otherwise, please provide them.

IMO, Rudy saw that his audience was not a friendly one (other reports mention that the firefighters were also present during the parade, heckling him and holding signs) and decided to find an audience more to his liking. He seems to prefer invitation-only townhall meetings where he faces only the loyal Rudy-supporters.

[calcowgirl]

I think most of these people prefer to just post to eachother, patting eachother on their backs for their “efforts”,

Your posting history demonstrates this behavior. It certainly doesn't represent the behavior of others who have posted questions to those with differing views, only to be left without responses. fightinJAG left many, many posts unanswered (example) while continuing to defend a banned liberal troll.

By eliminating any debate, they can convince themselves they “won”. It’s odd they don’t seem to realize that if they are alienating other pro-lifers, they probably aren’t very effective in swaying the hearts & minds of those who are considering abortion.

ROFL. And what kind of debate are you willing to engage in by posting to someone that you agree with while bad-mouthing other freepers? Pot-Kettle-Black.

[I_like_good_things_too]

The debate is dead— for example, if you can call someone a “liberal troll” because they simply think the tactics used are ineffective and actually alienate the pro-life cause, well, end of debate— why would you answer the questions of a “liberal troll”?

And I think the reason given for one of those who were banned on this thread was that they were banned because he/she called wagglebee a “liar”. Then why is nicmarlo still here? He’s called a poster a liar & then a demented liar. Clearly, there is a double standard. It’s obvious to everyone. It really is.

I think those of you who continually go on witch hunts against other prolifers who question your tactics really need to take some time to think through things for a while. Maybe, just maybe, those that are trying to convince you that you are HARMING the cause you proport to want to HELP have something positive to offer you.

You remind me of some (not all or even a majority) of those in the prolife groups in Washington who refused to vote for Nethercutt in the senate race against Maria Cantwell in the 2004 race, because he wasn’t quite pure enough. So, I’m trying to figure how well Cantwell helps the prolife movement in the Senate. And now she’s entrenched. But I guess they proved their point, just not sure what that point is, because it sure did nothing to slow down or eliminate abortions.

[calcowgirl]

... if you can call someone a “liberal troll”

That liberal troll has since been banned as ... errr... a liberal troll (and probably retread, to boot!)

And I think the reason given for one of those who were banned on this thread was that they were banned because he/she called wagglebee a “liar”.

Yep. He did--and wagglebee didn't lie.

Then why is nicmarlo still here? He’s called a poster a liar & then a demented liar.

I believe that nicmarlo pointed out the lies that are still posted on this forum. The liberal troll made unsubstantiated allegations. There IS a difference. Some folks really do lie; hence, they are "liars." But... if you have a problem with it, feel free to call out the mods. (I'll ping them for ya!)

I think those of you who continually go on witch hunts against other prolifers who question your tactics ...

My tactics? What tactics are you referring to? I'm commenting on news reports that Rudy chose not to speak rather than to face a couple hecklers in a crowd. I would have the same reactions if those hecklers were yelling about his sanctuary cities or his pro-gun control record. Exposing Rudy's record is a good thing, IMO. Would you prefer that voters not be educated about Rudy's liberalism?

You remind me of some (not all or even a majority) of those in the prolife groups in Washington who refused to vote for Nethercutt in the senate race against Maria Cantwell in the 2004 race, because he wasn’t quite pure enough.

Really? Can you show me a post of mine that made you reach that conclusion? I think your impression is wrong-minded and baseless (but I will reserve final judgment when you provide evidence to support your attack).

Here's a thought--leave the personal attacks out of the discussion. The thread is not about me. It is about Rudy and his unwillingness to address a crowd that included a few of his detractors.

[wagglebee]

Just to clarify, the newbie troll repeatedly called me a liar and accused me of being a coward. I asked him to give an instance of where I had lied or exhibited cowardice. When he repeated his accusations again, I hit the abuse button, indicated that my suspicion that he was a retread, and the moderator removed several posts and banned him. It was not my intent to have him banned simply for calling me a liar; however, it was my intent to put an end to unsubstantiated allegations. It has been my experience that liberals will quite often refer to OPINIONS with which they disagree as lies.

[calcowgirl]

Thanks for the clarification.

From what I’ve seen, there seem to be quite a few retreads lately.

[wagglebee]

A bunch of FRiberal Rooty Rooters went down in the Bug Zapper thread last spring. They now realize that, just as most of us hoped, Rooty’s campaign is on its last legs. So, they want to come back and make a last ditch effort to convince FReepers that conservatism isn’t all that important in a candidate.

[MEGoody]

Can you even inmagine where we would be in this nation if our founding fathers were as politically correct as you?

Can you provide one instance where any of our founding fathers followed someone down the street screaming at them? I'd be willing to bet they never did such a thing.

Can you imagine what they might have done if they witnessed a man like Rudy tearing down everything they fought and died for?

They would have debated him. They might have tried to engage him at his rallies. They certainly would not support him in his campaign. But I don't see anything to indicate they would have chased him down the street, screaming at him.

This has nothing to do with political correctness. It is about presenting oneself as a rational adult instead of a lunatic.

As I stated in my initial post, I supported what this guy did until he went so far as to chase Rudy down the street screaming at him. He doesn't do the cause any good to come off looking like he's lost his mind.

[wagglebee]

Can you provide one instance where any of our founding fathers followed someone down the street screaming at them? I'd be willing to bet they never did such a thing.

You mean like when they dressed up like Indians and dumped tea in Boston Harbor. Let's not forget that many of the Founding Fathers willfully committed high treason to secure the Blessings of Liberty for America.

They would have debated him. They might have tried to engage him at his rallies.

Rooty was free to try to answer any statements that were made; after all, he was the one with a megaphone.

[calcowgirl]

They’ve come back with specific missions though, and many not mentioning the word “Rudy.” One of the worst bannees is back under a new name and seems to have the sole objective of bashing Huckabee. My guess is they have ohter names to bring down other non-Rudy candidates as well. I’ve always suspected that the most vile of the anti-Mormon posters come from the Rudy camp. His campaigns have a long history of performing some of the dirtiest tricks.

[Recovering_Democrat]

Wanting to close a loophole in an abortion law, a loophole that Reagan did not see at the time he signed the law, is NOT "changing his position on abortion".

Okay, well, we can differ on that, I guess.

Your effort to try to take-down Reagan to prop up your preferred candidate(s) is duly noted. I find your tactics completely dishonest.

Wow, well, if you want to take that tact, fine. I have exchanged with you in good faith. I think my history here on FR shows I am a person who has dealt that way with 99% of my fellow FREEPers.

Have a nice day.

[MEGoody]

You mean like when they dressed up like Indians and dumped tea in Boston Harbor.

Yep, but that is not the same as following someone down the street screaming at them. There are no examples of them doing such a thing.

Rooty was free to try to answer any statements that were made

Not sure what this has to do with the fact that following someone down the street screaming at them makes the screamer look like a lunatic.

[Palladin]

“Yep, but that is not the same as following someone down the street screaming at them. There are no examples of them doing such a thing.”

Oh, please, study your American history. A lot worse was done during campaigns in the old days. Like rotten vegetables being thrown at speakers on the stump.