Posted on 01/13/2008 1:51:13 PM PST by wagglebee
"A third of my generation is dead because of politicians like Giuliani." -- Steven Pokorny, age 28, at Giuliani during meeting in Miami, Sunday, Jan. 13
MIAMI, Jan. 13 /Christian Newswire/ -- Rudy Giuliani was rattled by pro-life advocates and canceled his speech at his first bus-tour event Sunday in Miami. Activists have planned confrontations with Rudy for every stop of his Florida bus tour. Photos available online.
On Sunday, Jan. 13, at approximately 12:15 PM, pro-life activists were in the crowd at The Green Street Cafe (located at 3110 Commodor Plaza, Coconut Grove Florida, just outside Miami) waiting for Giuliani to begin his Florida Bus Tour.
When Rudy Giuliani arrived, Joseph Landry (age 26) was within 5 feet of the candidate, and began yelling: You are a baby killer! You are a baby killer! Florida is pro-life! Rudy wants public funding for abortion!" See news report. Law enforcement officials immediately escorted Mr. Landry from the area, while Mr. Landry continued his monologue.
Within Minutes, Steven Pokorny, age 28, stood to his feet and cried out, "A third of my generation is dead because of politicians like Giuliani! Giuliani wants to kill children and have you pay for it!" Law enforcement did not stop Mr. Pokorny.
At that point, Giuliani left the building, without addressing the crowd.
Mr. Pokorny was able to follow Mr. Giuliani for more than a minute, yelling out about Rudy's pro-choice, pro-homosexual agenda. Again, Mr. Pokorny was not interrupted by police.
Giuliani officials had no idea how many pro-lifers were in the crowd, and how many more times Giuliani would be confronted. This might explain why Mr. Giuliani did not make any remarks - and left the meeting without addressing supporters.
Pro-lifers have scheduled confrontations with Rudy on every stop of his Florida Bus tour.
Video footage of the confrontations with Rudy is available upon request.
We are not talking crimes here, but simple human decency. I am sure Code Pink will find being loud when your candidate of choice tries to speak to be equally non-criminal.
What would you have people do? Rudi seems to care less about this. That's not quite true. He's in favor of it.
There was a time when Christ, Himself, became less than "gentlemanly" in His displeasure with sin. It concerned the moneychangers at the temple. And his anger was fast and furious. If callous disregard concerning infanticide cannot justify severe displeasure with a politician, what can?
What would you have people do.....when it appears that the immorality of infanticide falls on deaf ears?
Was the need for a license cited by the police? I haven’t yet read that in any article.
These pro-life protestors are doing the Republican Party a favor. Why? Because IF Rudy gets the nomination, millions of pro-lifers won’t vote for him, and the Dem candidate wins.
Answer: Mature people with a sense of civility. Or generally, a person of class.
Answer: One not equipped to be President.
The article also seems to belie your claim that “Rudy borrowed his way through his administration, incurring massive debt servicing costs and leaving the city with a huge deficit.” It appears to me that he inherited a large budget deficit from David Dinkins, cut taxes, balanced the budget for most of his term, and that the deficit that he left office with as the economy had headed into recession (and much of which was due to 9/11) was covered by surpluses in previous years of his administration.
Given that he did all this in such a heavily Democratic city I find what he did accomplish to be amazing, and that’s not even counting the dramatic reduction in crime or his performance on 9/11.
And while I admit he’s no social conservative (neither am I on several issues) it’s tough to look at Time’s Square before and after he took office and view him as a liberal.
As for the people he appointed who went to jail, I think that’s basically a cheap-shot guilt-by-association argument. He appointed so many people in a city where most of the candidates for those positions had climbed their way up through a corrupt system that there was no way he could realistically avoid appointing some people who would turn out themselves to be corrupt.
Bingo!!!..the only difference is a (R) or(D) behind their names.....their politics are the same...
“A third of my generation is dead because of politicians like Giuliani.” — Steven Pokorny, age 28
If that doesn’t frame it in terms even Rudy can understand, I don’t know what will. Big props to these guys. Never been a fan of hecklers, but the fact that the above quote even had to be said out loud, as if it had never occured to anyone, shows how badly Rudy’s candidacy has both shaken yet empowered the pro-life movement.
“Romney changed his mind on every major issue, AFTER he was running for POTUS!”
That’s an outright blatant lie. A little research before you make such an asinine statement would be in order.
It is not my place or right to tell other people what to do, how to act, or when to protest. That is their right. I don't subscribe to Animal Farm. I see that you do.
I never said he hasn't done anything positive. I said that your recap was misleading and inaccurate, and it was(reduced spending, etc). There are many, many other articles that negate your recap of Rudy's fiscal record. Keep reading (and lose the rose-colored glasses). He did inherit a small deficit from Dinkins, and despite 8 years of a boom economy, spent every dime and left the NYC with a larger deficit. I could give you quotes and sources all day long, but if you are unwilling to accept the truth, what difference does it make? I didn't know the truth until doing my own research almost a year ago that I posted here:
I read some of the prospectuses filed with the SEC by the bond brokers during Giuliani’s reign. He borrowed his way through his tenure (surprise, surprise). When he hit the constitutional limit on borrowing, they set up two new “Authorities” that issued more debt—that didn’t count against the city’s debt limit formula. Something like 18-20% of city revenue now goes to debt service alone. While he says he reduced taxes, the personal income tax surcharge that was due to expire when he took office was extended up until his last year in office, then “restructured” to expire on a declining scale over future years—after he left office (the surcharge was about 1/2 billion a year which dwarfed the other tax decreases). Yet other tax decreases were put into law but not implemented until after he left office. He says he left the state with a big surplus but, when he left, the projected multi-billion dollar gaps between revenue and spending were double what they were when he took office.Rudy's comments about how he would balance the federal budget are beyond naive. First he claimed that he wouldn't rehire retirees, across the board. That assumes that all federal services are equal or that retirees will retire only from jobs where he thinks reductions should occur. The only way to effectively reduce government is to target unnecessary or redundant services. You don't do that via attrition, or with across-the-board cuts.
...while I admit he’s no social conservative
He's not a Conservative--period! Social or otherwise. Heck--the guy opposes about 80% of the Republican platform.
As for the people he appointed who went to jail, I think that’s basically a cheap-shot guilt-by-association argument.
These are people he CHOSE... and people he continued to support, and some he still does, excusing them for their human flaws. The real human flaws that matter are with Rudy, a flawed candidate. I simply CANNOT TRUST his JUDGMENT and certainly don't want to hand him the keys to the White House.
The other article you posted shows what a bizarre statement this is. The claim that “tax revenues are $3 billion less per year” is Michael Bloomberg complaining about the Giuliani tax cuts, while trying to make it sound like revenues actually decreased. Instead, as the chart in the article you linked to showed, revenue went from about $15 billion in 1990 to about $23 billion in 2001. And of course the 70% increase in expenses conveniently includes the latter half of the Dinkins administration with its big spending increases.
In other words the Bloomberg quote basically just demonstrates that it was Bloomberg who was the RINO, before he ceased to even call himself a Republican.
“I could care less if Rudy gets to talk to a crowd. I am concerned that ill-advised protests will set back the cause of life.”
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There is no “cause of life”
Abortion on demand has not changed one bit ...even a decrease to one government sanction abortion is one death too many and still not a “cause of life”
A “cause of life” would be NO unborn children dying by abortion...
It’s fine for you to get on your high horse and tell us to be quiet, but you offer no other remedies for the halt to the slaughter of 1/3 of the generations...
You appear to be a hot head and yet you accuse the wonderful young men in Florida of much the same type of behavior...
I do not know what your problem is...if you really are pro-life then you should gather with us and not attempt to scatter the flock...
Due to fractions in the pro-life movement in it’s fedgeling days, little was accomplished...We didnt stand up as Americans with free speech rights...
Rather we listened to the Christian leadership of the time who claimed as the “Silent Majority” we would see all things righted...
God was waiting for us to do something though...it is the squeeky wheel that gets oiled not the smooth sounding one...
The pro-abortion crowds came out each year in their 100s of thousands, while we would have a few huinderd at best...
When fighting against abortion was finally sanctioned by the Christians as other than a “Catholic issue” the abortion crowd were years down the road in front of us...
Being a “silent majority” has not worked...
I appreciate those young men and respect them for what they are trying to do...I respect anyone who will fight against abortion...
Gulianni has a foothold in Florida...he has spent more money and more time there and has a larger following thamn most of the other states...
For Gulianni, Florida may well be the make or break state...it is full of ex-New Yorkers who went there to retire etc, and the politics of many of the rest echo Gulianni’s stances..
As for a president who will fight against abortion, only Duncan Hunter has a proven record....
We know that Duncan will fight abortion because he has in the past...
And we know that Gulianni has no reason to change his pro-abortion politics after he ever got into office...
Code Pink shouts down speakers who support the war.
Code Pink shouts for the right to stop the killing of Iraqis and pro-lifers are shouting to save babies from being murdered.
Do you understand that many people think murdering Iraqis is horrific, much less hundreds each day slaughtered.
ITS A BIG DEAL!!! Men have fought and died for much less, and you complain about a little shouting?
So, how are you different than Code Pink? You are both shouting down legitimate free speech to save lives.
How am I going to be able to differentiate between you and them on the street, and in the news?
Actually, no. The infrastructure and spending levels instituted by Rudy were handed over to Bloomberg, along with a revenue structure that was scheduled to decrease taxes (many reductions that Rudy enacted but did not implement--he only authorized them to take place after he left office.) In other words, he left all the heavy lifting for his successor.
How are you going to be able to know there's a difference if the "undesirable" positions are silenced, according to whomever decides it's "undesirable"? Somehow, I think people who have a brain can differentiate the message and the messengers. That is, after all, why we each have a brain and are encouraged to independently think.
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