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Dud missile(Russian cruise missiles)
India Today ^ | January 10, 2008 | Sandeep Unnithan

Posted on 01/12/2008 8:10:58 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki

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To: Soliton
The AK was a stroke of luck.

Ah yes. Charles F. Kettering (the man who is responsible for you being able to start your car among numerous other contributions) attributed his success entirely to luck, then he went on to observe that the harder he worked, the luckier he was...

21 posted on 01/12/2008 10:07:28 AM PST by null and void (Conservatives are tired of being sucked up to every 4 years and stabbed in the back for the next 3.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I wonder what Machiavelli would have had to say about using foreign defense contractors.


22 posted on 01/12/2008 10:10:26 AM PST by antinomian (Show me a robber baron and I'll show you a pocket full of senators.)
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To: Soliton

Speaking broadly, Russian engineers and inventors are geniuses individually.

Working in teams, less so. Getting teams to work with other design/production teams, even less.

Getting those project groups to work with the bureaucracies that fund them, the salesmen who hype their wares, and the grunts in the field who use the finished product, even less still.

The Russkies put up Sputnik because of one man. The Russkies have the AK-47 because of one man.

Getting away from the “one man” does it concept, however, proves increasingly problematic for them.

But if you have one Russian programmer doing some software for you...it’ll work just fine. Or if you have one Russian engineer designing a single mechanism...it’ll work just fine. Or one Russian playing you in chess (Xoroshow!).

Obviously there will be exceptions to the above, but that’s the prevailing stereotype.

And hey, the rest of the world all thinks that we Americans are all fat, lazy, spoiled, rude, arrogant, idiots...so stereotypes cut both ways. Gotta be careful putting too much faith in them.


23 posted on 01/12/2008 10:11:18 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: null and void

What else did kalashnikov invent? What major improvement was made. Browning created the underlying principal, the STG44 was the direct anticedent. Kalashnikov made it cheap enough to produce. Even the 7.62x39mm cartridge that is used in the 47 is of German origin.


24 posted on 01/12/2008 10:16:39 AM PST by Soliton (Sarcasm that lacks wit only bores and does not teach. Yawn.)
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To: Southack

I have an SKS and I find it too heavy and too underpowered. I imagine the AK is the same. It’s greatest asset is that the Russians made a lot of them.


25 posted on 01/12/2008 10:20:08 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki


Hmmm. I understand you're having trouble with that reactor again, Mr. Singh? Don't worry, I'll send you my best repair technician right away!
26 posted on 01/12/2008 10:22:14 AM PST by dr_who_2
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Oh those Ruskies. They sold the Syrians the missile system that shot down the Israeli planes a couple of months ago. ( Oh, they didn't even see the planes?)

Well they did make that soft landing on the moon many years ago. (Oh, the ship was going 500 miles an hour when it hit? Never mind.

27 posted on 01/12/2008 10:31:45 AM PST by ditto h
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To: Soliton
What else did Kalashnikov invent?

A 28 year old Sargent invents something that changes the entire world, and that isn't enough for you?

Tough crowd!

Kalashnikov made it cheap enough to produce.

Hello? THAT is the whole point! It's cheap, reliable, simple, rugged, and easy to use and repair. What's not to like?

28 posted on 01/12/2008 10:34:18 AM PST by null and void (Conservatives are tired of being sucked up to every 4 years and stabbed in the back for the next 3.)
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To: All

Remember the story about the defective Russian tanks?

http://frontierindia.net/t-90-s-is-a-dud-it-cant-fire-far-enough/

The Indians must be getting really ticked off at the Ruskis by now....:^)


29 posted on 01/12/2008 11:07:13 AM PST by az_gila (AZ - need less democrats)
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To: CarrotAndStick

ping


30 posted on 01/12/2008 11:19:31 AM PST by null and void (Conservatives are tired of being sucked up to every 4 years and stabbed in the back for the next 3.)
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To: null and void

Thanks for the ping, but I had already read the thread!

:^)


31 posted on 01/12/2008 11:27:14 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: null and void

And it comes in .308/7.62 NATO now.

http://www.thegunsource.com/Item.aspx?PID=56175


32 posted on 01/12/2008 11:27:39 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: null and void
Charles F. Kettering

Also designed the second version of the first generation of cruise missiles during WWI. The US Navy started on the first, and the US Army hired Kettering to build one for them.

A mini-bi-plane affair, that counted the number of engine revolutions to decide when to cut the engine and crash with its "bomb" load.

33 posted on 01/12/2008 11:35:18 AM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: piytar

The AK is great because it was the vision of one man. It wasn’t the result of a committee and it wasn’t the result of reverse engineering another country’s innovations.


34 posted on 01/12/2008 11:36:40 AM PST by MediaMole
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To: ditto h
Well they did make that soft landing on the moon many years ago.

Um, the US did have that Mars (polar?) lander that did somewhat the same thing. And more recently, there was the Genesis mission that had the gravity sensors installed upside down, so the parachutes never deployed.

35 posted on 01/12/2008 11:51:51 AM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: Calvin Locke

Calvin, lighten up. It’s Saturday.


36 posted on 01/12/2008 11:54:27 AM PST by ditto h
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37 posted on 01/12/2008 1:44:27 PM PST by magslinger (cranky right-winger)
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To: Spktyr

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Klub.html

It doesn’t look like this thing has any of the goodies found in Western systems other than a GLONASS reciever,which is no good till the Russians put the entire constellation up.The Klub seems to be primarily a post-cold war export ‘One size fits all’ system with mimimum frills.


38 posted on 01/13/2008 2:45:13 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Looks like Russian tech. keeps us safe. Keep on exporting russia. We need you.


39 posted on 01/13/2008 3:07:02 AM PST by G-Man 1
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To: Soliton

>>It was a stolen German concept.<<

So, you’re saying that, in this instance, their German scientists were better than our German scientists?


40 posted on 01/13/2008 3:08:56 AM PST by alexander_busek
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